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From Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com>
Subject Re: Release Verification Checklist
Date Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:45:44 GMT
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:34 AM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know you're passionate about this Marvin but as it stands I'll be
> voting against this proposal.

I plan to propose this as an experiment which podlings would opt into.
Hopefully, I can persuade you not to oppose such an experiment, just as you
once attempted to persuade someone else:

    http://s.apache.org/8lUF

    I'm in favour of trying this. And its just experiment remember so not a
    change for ever for all podlings so please people try to support it or at
    least not try to block it.

If not, that's unfortunate, but let me thank you for the give-and-take.  Your
participation has very much improved the proposal.

> 1) This proposal doesn't help podlings with the first release

It helps by clarifying what we expect from podlings.  We're effectively
replacing that absurd monstrosity, the Incubator's Release Management Guide...

    http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html

... with a one page checklist:

    http://incubator.apache.org/guides/release_manifest.txt

The first release will be easier because podlings will spend less time
thrashing through docs trying to discover what is required.  Compliance isn't
that much work in the grand scheme of things -- the big problem has been that
the Incubator couldn't tell you the spec.

> 3) The proposal adds new artificial process around doing a release
> when we should be teaching podlings how TLPs do things

I think podlings which have their act together ought to have the option of
filling in a checklist rather than being forced to wait weeks hoping some
random IPMC member wanders by.

> Incubator releases are not official ASF releases so there is not and should
> not be the same expectations around them.

A lot of people seem to think this, but it's not true.  Incubator releases are
official ASF releases.

> If we could find a way to have Incubator PMC members accept a lower
> bar for doing podling releases it would make a massive improvement to
> everyones experience of the Incubator.

We shouldn't be sticklers for inconsequential minutiae, but since the
Incubator is a TLP like any other and its releases are subject to
Foundation-wide policy, I don't believe we have much freedom to accept a lower
bar.  Your request is impossible.

Marvin Humphrey

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