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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:17:10 -0500
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Subject: Re: projects "graduated" need to tidy up
From: "John D. Ament" <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
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Well, I can appreciate the frustration.

I'm willing to help clean up some of this stuff.  Any special rights
required to edit podlings.xml?


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM, David Crossley <crossley@apache.org> wrote:

> John D. Ament wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > On that note, how come DeltaSpike is still listed as incubating at [1]
> >
> > Note the table on the 3rd bullet.
> >
> > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/
>
> Because these "graduated" projects do not tidy up after themselves.
> They seem to leave everything for other Incubator volunteers to
> clean up in their wake.
>
> Such a mess causes the Incubator tools, that try so hard to help
> us all, to become overloaded and then not as useful because
> there is too much fluff.
>
> DeltaSpike is not the only one.
>
> See the list that poor Clutch tries so desperately to highlight:
> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other
> which also attempts to directly link them to the relevant docs.
>
> The projects listing http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
> also tries to encourage projects to maintain their own records.
>
> I presume that these projects will continue such behaviour
> as TLPs.
>
> (Sorry if i come across as frustrated in these threads.
> I certainly am, but trying to curb it.)
>
> -David
>
> > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Crossley <crossley@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > David Crossley wrote:
> > > > Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> > > > > Hi David
> > > > >
> > > > > not sure what you mean but list are working AFAIK. We got batchee
> mail
> > > > > this morning again and I got some sirona mails yesterday
> > > >
> > > > The "archives". Clutch gathers the mail list addresses
> > > > by ensuring that the archives are available [1].
> > > >
> > > > See the URL provided below in my initial email.
> > > > e.g. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator
> > > >
> > > > There is only the "commits" archives.
> > > >
> > > > Someone from these two projects needs to follow up with
> > > > Infra until your resources are properly established.
> > > >
> > > > And this is why you are not receiving the report reminders.
> > > >
> > > > [1] We should enhance this page to explain more detail about
> > > > how the set of reporting mailing list addresses are handled.
> > > > I have explained it many times in email, so we should find
> > > > that and add it to this doc.
> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/facilities.html#reminders
> > >
> > > The "Voting Status" monitor (the poor neglected thing!)
> > > has also been trying to warn about this issue.
> > > See the top-left of http://incubator.apache.org/
> > > and then the bottom table.
> > >
> > > -David
> > >
> > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > > Twitter: @rmannibucau
> > > > > Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> > > > > LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> > > > > Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2013/11/7 David Crossley <crossley@apache.org>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those two reminders are intended for BatchEE and Sirona.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Their email dev list archive is not yet available,
> > > > > > so this goes to general@ list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clutch does detect their commits lists, but not their dev lists.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator
> > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#sirona.incubator
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone know why?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are they missing moderators or something?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -David
> > > >
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