Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 24A641006E for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 16:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 38959 invoked by uid 500); 8 Nov 2013 16:49:10 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 38829 invoked by uid 500); 8 Nov 2013 16:49:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 38820 invoked by uid 99); 8 Nov 2013 16:49:08 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:49:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO mail-we0-f179.google.com) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username asavu, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:49:08 +0000 Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id w61so2268637wes.10 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:49:06 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ObrZ+kqcj7uRrRY0ovsn3lXdOEqtIMPXeQWvjvoDwDw=; b=HlmqOc2c1iFllksYZqktpcsJR2WnDa8PihntsRYz4YEESo3pToO1A8uZl9jFAsGLKu 53SPoY0THyAfYvIdmvNqUy6GMJ73n+sTiWv/4DTdEjQ3JrQLa1VO/dIGf8Wthi/TzIB3 /hkLRL8Pik10F353JhoI3kTM6FVfr2YtPL6WaEgYNFR80G4OKc/0IMREd5BSR3XA/uG8 FBf6v//9PaPfgPQLgbwxb2tucU449EqM3fFv+4z93eEW0YCVGI5ZpvifPHdEQccBqrMH WtglhWrn52jFhDYjCRIHkf+vr8GOI999+U+hH5u5sKcooABSTbnupjhydnodlMwUDjHY qMtA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.37.164 with SMTP id z4mr3175329wij.30.1383929346219; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.25.72 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 08:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.25.72 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 08:49:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 08:49:06 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation From: Andrei Savu To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f642bdc13665104eaad291f --e89a8f642bdc13665104eaad291f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 (binding) On Nov 7, 2013 1:04 PM, "Andreas Neumann" wrote: > The discussion about the Weave proposal has calmed. As the outcome of the > discussion, we have chosen a new name for the project, Twill. I would lik= e > to call a vote for Twill to become an incubated project. > > The proposal is pasted below, and also available at: > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TwillProposal > > Let's keep this vote open for three business days, closing the voting on > Tuesday 11/12. > > [ ] +1 Accept Twill into the Incubator > [ ] +0 Don't care. > [ ] -1 Don't accept Twill because... > > -Andreas. > > =3D Abstract =3D > > Twill is an abstraction over Apache Hadoop=AE YARN that reduces the > complexity of developing distributed applications, allowing developers to > focus more on their business logic. > > =3D Proposal =3D > > Twill is a set of libraries that reduces the complexity of developing > distributed applications. It exposes the distributed capabilities of Apac= he > Hadoop=AE YARN via a simple and intuitive programming model similar to Ja= va > threads. Twill also has built-in capabilities required by many distribute= d > applications, such as real-time application logs and metrics collection, > application lifecycle management, and network service discovery. > > =3D Background =3D > > Hadoop YARN is a generic cluster resource manager that supports any type = of > distributed application. However, YARN=92s interfaces are too low level f= or > rapid application development. It requires a great deal of boilerplate co= de > even for a simple application, creating a high ramp up cost that can turn > developers away. > > Twill is designed to improve this situation with a programming model that > makes running distributed applications as easy as running Java threads. > With the abstraction provided by Twill, applications can be executed in > process threads during development and unit testing and then be deployed = to > a YARN cluster without any modifications. > > Twill also has built-in support for real-time application logs and metric= s > collection, delegation token renewal, application lifecycle management, a= nd > network service discovery. This greatly reduces the pain that developers > face when developing, debugging, deploying and monitoring distributed > applications. > > Twill is not a replacement for YARN, it=92s a framework that operates on = top > of YARN. > > =3D Rationale =3D > > Developers who write YARN applications typically find themselves > implementing the same (or similar) boilerplate code over and over again > for every application. It makes sense to distill this common code into a > reusable set of libraries that is perpetually maintained and improved by = a > diverse community of developers. > > Twill=92s simple thread-like programming model will enable many Java > programmers to develop distributed applications. We believe that this > simplicity will attract developers who would otherwise be discouraged by > complexity, and many new use cases will emerge for the usage of YARN. > > Incubating Twill as an Apache project makes sense because Twill is a > framework built on top of YARN, and Twill uses Apache Zookeeper, HDFS, > Kafka, and other Apache software (see the External Dependencies section). > > =3D Current Status =3D > > Twill was initially developed at Continuuity under the name of Weave. The > Weave codebase is currently hosted in a public repository at github.com, > which will seed the Apache git repository after renaming to Twill. > > =3D=3D Meritocracy =3D=3D > > Our intent with this incubator proposal is to start building a diverse > developer community around Twill following the Apache meritocracy model. > Since Twill was initially developed in early 2013, we have had fast > adoption and contributions within Continuuity. We are looking forward to > new contributors. We wish to build a community based on Apache's > meritocracy principles, working with those who contribute significantly t= o > the project and welcoming them to be committers both during the incubatio= n > process and beyond. > > =3D=3D Community =3D=3D > > Twill is currently being used internally at Continuuity and is at the cor= e > of our products. We hope to extend our contributor base significantly and > we will invite all who are interested in simplifying the development of > distributed applications to participate. > > =3D=3D Core Developers =3D=3D > > Twill is currently being developed by five engineers at Continuuity: > Terence Yim, Andreas Neumann, Gary Helmling, Poorna Chandra and Albert > Shau. > Terence Yim is an Apache committer for Helix, Andreas is an Apache > committer and PMC member for Oozie, and Gary Helmling is an Apache > committer and PMC member for HBase. Poorna Chandra and Albert Shau have > made many contributions to Twill. > > =3D=3D Alignment =3D=3D > > The ASF is the natural choice to host the Twill project as its goal of > encouraging community-driven open source projects fits with our vision fo= r > Twill. > > Additionally, many other projects with which we are familiar and expect > Twill to integrate with, such as ZooKeeper, YARN, HDFS, log4j, and others > mentioned in the External Dependencies section are Apache projects, and > Twill will benefit by close proximity to them. > > =3D Known Risks =3D > > =3D=3D Orphaned Products =3D=3D > > There is very little risk of Twill being orphaned, as it is a key part of > Continuuity=92s products. The core Twill developers plan to continue to w= ork > on Twill, and Continuuity has funding in place to support their efforts > going forward. > Many other Big Data companies can benefit from Twill, and we have already > received interest from various entities that would like to use and > contribute to Twill. > > =3D=3D Inexperience with Open Source =3D=3D > > Several of the core developers have experience with open source > development. Terence Yim, Andreas Neumann and Gary Helmling are currently > Apache committers for Helix, Oozie and HBase respectively > Homogeneous Developers > > The current core developers are all Continuuity employees. However, we > intend to establish a developer community that includes independent and > corporate contributors. We are encouraging new contributors via our maili= ng > lists, public presentations, and personal contacts, and we will continue = to > do so. Various entities have already expressed interest in becoming > involved with Twill. > > =3D=3D Reliance on Salaried Developers =3D=3D > > Currently, these developers are paid to work on Twill. Once the project h= as > built a community, we expect to attract committers, developers and > community > other than the current core developers. However, because Continuuity > products use Twill internally, the reliance on salaried developers is > unlikely to change, at least in the near term. > > =3D=3D Relationships with Other Apache Products =3D=3D > > Twill is deeply integrated with Apache projects. Twill uses Apache YARN a= s > its underlying resource management and task scheduling system and Apache > Zookeeper for coordination. In addition, Twill uses Apache HDFS and Apach= e > Kafka. A number of other Apache projects are Twill dependencies and are > listed in the External Dependencies section. > > =3D=3D An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand =3D=3D > > While we respect the reputation of the Apache brand and have no doubt tha= t > it will attract contributors and users, our interest is primarily to give > Twill a solid home as an open source project following an established > development model. We have also given additional reasons in the Rationale > and Alignment sections. > > =3D Documentation =3D > > The current documentation for Weave is at > https://github.com/continuuity/weave. > This will be adapted to the new name Twill. > > =3D Initial Source =3D > > The Weave codebase is currently hosted at > https://github.com/continuuity/weave. Weave will be renamed to Twill to > seed the Apache git repository. > > =3D External Dependencies =3D > > The dependencies all have Apache-compatible licenses: > * avro (Apache 2.0) > * hadoop (Apache 2.0) > * gson (Apache 2.0) > * guava-libraries (Apache 2.0) > * hbase (Apache 2.0) > * hdfs (Apache 2.0) > * kafka (Apache 2.0) > * netty (Apache 2.0) > * snappy-java (Apache 2.0) > * yarn (Apache 2.0) > * zookeeper (Apache 2.0) > * asm (BSD) > * junit (EPL v1.0) > * logback (EPL v1.0 ) > * slf4j (MIT) > > =3D Cryptography =3D > > Twill will depend on secure Hadoop, which can optionally use Kerberos. > > =3D Required Resources =3D > > =3D=3D Mailing Lists =3D=3D > > * twill-private for private PMC discussions (with moderated subscription= s) > * twill-dev for technical discussions among contributors > * twill-commits for notification about commits > > =3D=3D Subversion Directory =3D=3D > > Git is the preferred source control system: git://git.apache.org/twill > > =3D=3D Issue Tracking =3D=3D > > JIRA Twill (TWILL) > > =3D=3D Other Resources =3D=3D > > The existing code already has unit tests, so we would like a Hudson > instance to run them whenever a new patch is submitted. This can be added > after project creation. > > =3D Initial Committers =3D > > * Terence Yim > * Andreas Neumann > * Gary Helmling > * Poorna Chandra > * Albert Shau > > =3D Affiliations =3D > > * Terence Yim (Continuuity) > * Andreas Neumann (Continuuity) > * Gary Helmling (Continuuity) > * Poorna Chandra (Continuuity) > * Albert Shau (Continuuity) > > =3D Sponsors =3D > > =3D=3D Champion =3D=3D > > Vinod K (Apache Member) > > =3D=3D Nominated Mentors =3D=3D > > * Arun C Murthy > * Tom White > * Patrick Hunt > * Andrei Savu > > =3D=3D Sponsoring Entity =3D=3D > > We are requesting that the Incubator sponsor this project. > --e89a8f642bdc13665104eaad291f--