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Subject: Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
From: Joseph Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
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No offense Ross but give me a break.  While I=92m
glad to see my initial ideas gain so much traction
in the incubator now that people no longer remember
where they come from, and even are willing to falsely
claim credit for them, but this whole idea of populating
the IPMC with ordinary podling participants has been
going on for years now under the experiment I started.
The typical negative argument against this came from Bill
Wrowe who felt that these people were unqualified to
be able to cast binding decisions during things like
podling graduations, but I have seen no indication that
such folks overstep their welcome in real life.

In any case the concept has my +1, the harder part is
to find a process that will ensure appropriate people
actually do get recognized.

On Nov 7, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com> =
wrote:

> On 7 November 2013 11:20, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Marvin Humphrey =
<marvin@rectangular.com
>>> wrote:
>>=20
>>> The Incubator has a fundamental structural flaw: it lacks a =
mechanism to
>>> reward merit earned by individual podling contributors.  Instead, we
>> teach
>>> people to hate the Incubator by placing their projects at the mercy =
of
>>> Mentors.  Our Mentors care, but they don't care enough.  They don't =
care
>>> like
>>> core developers care.
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Nominate these meritorious contributors as IPMC members.
>>=20
>=20
> +1 This is exactly what I have been proposing the incubator do for a =
very
> long time. In fact I set the precedent by having two podling =
committers
> voted onto the IPMC as an experiment.
>=20
> That experiment proved very successful (both helped with other =
podlings and
> both are now Members of the foundation).
>=20
> That successful experiment should become part of the incubation =
process.
>=20
> Ross
>=20
> PS and yes I do see the need for me, as a mentor, of Alura to make =
this
> happen. I did discuss the projects strategy with project members a =
week
> ago. Not found the time to follow up yet but I would suggest =
highlighting
> individuals in a negative rather than positive light is not the way to
> encourage volunteers to find time


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