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From ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Release vote thresholds
Date Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:09:55 GMT
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:33 AM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>wrote:
>> I think this is getting too hung up on vetting releases is the be all and
>> end all of PMC membership when really there are other just as if not more
>> important things.
>
> Let's say we strike that bullet point from the proposal.  It seems like we're
> making good progress, because that moves us closer to *both* you and Dave
> Fisher.  The remaining question is whether we can arrive at an agreement in
> terms of how many IPMC votes it takes to get a release approved.
>
> Ant, you proposed a minimum of one IPMC vote for each release:
>
>     http://s.apache.org/CHS
>
>     How about simply changing the rules for Incubator releases so that they
>     don't require at least three binding votes, but instead make it at least
>     three votes only one of which must be binding. That would mean there would
>     still be the element of oversight that a mentor vote gives but avoids all
>     the problems with not having three mentors.
>
> Dave responded with this critique:
>
>     http://s.apache.org/MSZ
>
>     I don't think this is prudent, having only one binding vote is too low a
>     check. We at the ASF have a responsibility to the public.  I want to be
>     certain that no one steam rolls the process. Just the fact that there are
>     edge cases means we need to be careful.
>
> This formulation was conceived to address both of your concerns:
>
>     *   PPMC votes are binding for every release except the first.
>     *   One IPMC vote is required for each release after the first.
>
> Ant, can you accept the elevated requirement for the first vote?  If we only
> have to muster that many IPMC members once per podling, I think it's much more
> doable.
>

Sure, its a step in the right direction. I do think we could still do
more but that would be a good start.

   ...ant

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