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From Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com>
Subject Re: How long is too long in the incubator?
Date Sat, 30 Nov 2013 01:16:33 GMT
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> If a podling has been in the incubator for some years, but is struggling
> to reach critical mass, is there any reason not to just let the podling
> be?

We talked this subject through in November 2011, under the heading "Actively
retiring projects":

    http://markmail.org/message/4cagxwofrsmkmsek

The biggest change we made in the wake of that discussion was to graduate
small but stable communities more aggressively.  Isis was one[1].  VXQuery,
with 4-5 active PPMC members, is likely to graduate under similar criteria.

Another change which has happened gradually over the last few years is that we
have cast aside the stigma associated with leaving the Incubator.  Vestiges of
a less tolerant mentality from the early days persist in our policy page[2]:

    http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Termination+of+a+Podling

    Termination of a Podling

        If you receive a recommendation for termination then you have a
        problem.

I have always thought that shaming projects which don't complete incubation
was unjust, bad policy, and unbecoming of a volunteer-driven public charity.
Now that we have softened our attitudes, recognizing that all software
products have a lifecycle and emphasizing "retirement" over "termination", the
Incubator has become more self-cleaning.

Back in 2011, the Incubator had a significant problem with accumulating
stalled podlings.  Today, we have more room to consider podlings in difficult
circumstances on a case-by-case basis.

Marvin Humphrey

[1] http://markmail.org/message/3aiwjgocoqeojeop
[2] One of these days I'm going to call a VOTE on changing that language.

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