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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Release vote thresholds
Date Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:09:38 GMT
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:33 AM, ant elder <> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey <>wrote:
> I think this is getting too hung up on vetting releases is the be all and
> end all of PMC membership when really there are other just as if not more
> important things.

Let's say we strike that bullet point from the proposal.  It seems like we're
making good progress, because that moves us closer to *both* you and Dave
Fisher.  The remaining question is whether we can arrive at an agreement in
terms of how many IPMC votes it takes to get a release approved.

Ant, you proposed a minimum of one IPMC vote for each release:

    How about simply changing the rules for Incubator releases so that they
    don't require at least three binding votes, but instead make it at least
    three votes only one of which must be binding. That would mean there would
    still be the element of oversight that a mentor vote gives but avoids all
    the problems with not having three mentors.

Dave responded with this critique:

    I don't think this is prudent, having only one binding vote is too low a
    check. We at the ASF have a responsibility to the public.  I want to be
    certain that no one steam rolls the process. Just the fact that there are
    edge cases means we need to be careful.

This formulation was conceived to address both of your concerns:

    *   PPMC votes are binding for every release except the first.
    *   One IPMC vote is required for each release after the first.

Ant, can you accept the elevated requirement for the first vote?  If we only
have to muster that many IPMC members once per podling, I think it's much more

Dave, does a three-IPMC-vote threshold for the first incubating release
suffice to guard against the most severe of the problematic scenarios you're

Marvin Humphrey

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