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From Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
Date Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:40:06 GMT
No offense folks, but this isn’t exactly new
information or has anyone offered an actual
PATH to follow to get us out of this mess.
Bringing more people into the IPMC can be accomplished
by anyone willing to put some names out there
for us to consider, but that hasn’t yielded
anything so far to help us manage our workload.
Talk is cheap in a doocracy, we need an action
plan and leadership not more argumentation passing
itself off as helpful suggestions.



On Nov 10, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Joseph Schaefer
> <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Unlikely to get at least Roy’s approval because release
>> votes are expected to be a decision of the full committee,
>> not any one member of it.
> 
> +1:  Much as some people here as in favor of dismantlement, and others
> would like to see some structure in between IPMC membership and
> nothing, the legal structure requires a release to be voted by PMC
> members. To mangle Pogo: We have met the PMC, and, friends, it is us.
> It is the job of the more seasoned IPMC members to provide the
> backstop for the folks like Alex.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2013, at 1:04 AM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> How about simply changing the rules for Incubator releases so that
>>>> they don't require at least three binding votes, but instead make it
>>>> at least three votes only one of which must be binding. That would
>>>> mean there would still be the element of oversight that a mentor vote
>>>> gives but avoids all the problems with not having three mentors. I'm
>>>> sure the board would grant the Incubator authority to implement that
>>>> change.
>>> 
>>> The board has charged us to vet the podlings and their releases. What process
is used is up to us.
>>> 
>>> I would prefer a variant of your proposal.  The first release needs three mentor/IPMC
votes.  Subsequent releases only require one mentor/IPMC vote.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
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