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From David Crossley <cross...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
Date Fri, 08 Nov 2013 07:36:49 GMT
Upayavira wrote:
> I have one (hopefully) simple question for those more familiar with the
> ASF\s bylaws/etc.
> 
> As I understand it, the board has delegated responsibility for the
> incubator, and thus incubator podlings, to the Incubator PMC and its
> members. Thus, it is only members of the Incubator PMC that have the
> ability to vote. This much is straight-forward.
> 
> So, the question is, what options does the Incubator PMC have in terms
> of further delegating responsibility? Can the Incubator PMC delegate
> (some) responsibility to people who are not themselves incubator PMC
> members? To do so, does the Incubator PMC need to inform the board of
> the change of composition of 'sub-committees'?
> 
> My thought is that if we can clarify what is legally possible, we will
> be better placed to find the appropriate model for the incubator that
> fits within those legal/bylaw bounds.

I was wondering the same. This seems to enable such:
"RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Incubator PMC be and hereby
is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
encourage open development and increased participation in the
Apache Incubator Project."
http://incubator.apache.org/official/resolution.html

-David

> Upayavira 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 06:47 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
> > > Certainly this is being addressed and fixed in the current 1.0.1
> > > release thread...
> > 
> > Indeed.
> > 
> > > So why is something 2 months old such a bee in your bonnet right now?
> > 
> > I chose to highlight the Allura situation because it illustrates that
> > IPMC
> > release vote scarcity can strike your podling at any time regardless of
> > how
> > virtuous and healthy it is.  If it can happen to Allura, a podling with
> > fabulous contributors and outrageously qualified Mentors, it can happen
> > to
> > anyone.
> > 
> > I could have instead cited other lengthy release votes: VXQuery (over a
> > month
> > now and still waiting), ODF Toolkit (20 days), Droids (probably the
> > all-time
> > record holder), Bloodhound (so frustrating that Brane coded up the voting
> > monitor), ManifoldCF...  but none of those podlings boasted Allura's
> > all-star
> > Mentor lineup.
> > 
> > The point was to pick a podling with Mentors whose dedication to the ASF
> > was
> > unassailable ("AWOL Mentors" don't attend Board meetings!) because then
> > nobody
> > could blame the delay on insufficient Mentor dedication.  I don't think
> > it's a
> > bad thing that podling core developers are inherently more invested in
> > their
> > projects than Mentors -- it's just a fact of life that we ought to
> > accommodate
> > ourselves to.  Vote scarcity is not the fault of any one Mentor, or any
> > group
> > of Mentors -- it's just a phenomenon which is *guaranteed* to happen some
> > of
> > the time because the Incubator is structurally flawed.
> > 
> > Still, because my point was awkwardly crafted, I wound up singling out
> > the
> > Allura team in a negative context.  I apologize for my clumsiness.
> > 
> > Marvin Humphrey
> > 
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