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From David Crossley <cross...@apache.org>
Subject projects "graduated" need to tidy up
Date Thu, 07 Nov 2013 22:45:00 GMT
John D. Ament wrote:
> David,
> 
> On that note, how come DeltaSpike is still listed as incubating at [1]
> 
> Note the table on the 3rd bullet.
> 
> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/

Because these "graduated" projects do not tidy up after themselves.
They seem to leave everything for other Incubator volunteers to
clean up in their wake.

Such a mess causes the Incubator tools, that try so hard to help
us all, to become overloaded and then not as useful because
there is too much fluff.

DeltaSpike is not the only one.

See the list that poor Clutch tries so desperately to highlight:
http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other
which also attempts to directly link them to the relevant docs.

The projects listing http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
also tries to encourage projects to maintain their own records.

I presume that these projects will continue such behaviour
as TLPs.

(Sorry if i come across as frustrated in these threads.
I certainly am, but trying to curb it.)

-David

> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Crossley <crossley@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > David Crossley wrote:
> > > Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> > > > Hi David
> > > >
> > > > not sure what you mean but list are working AFAIK. We got batchee mail
> > > > this morning again and I got some sirona mails yesterday
> > >
> > > The "archives". Clutch gathers the mail list addresses
> > > by ensuring that the archives are available [1].
> > >
> > > See the URL provided below in my initial email.
> > > e.g. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator
> > >
> > > There is only the "commits" archives.
> > >
> > > Someone from these two projects needs to follow up with
> > > Infra until your resources are properly established.
> > >
> > > And this is why you are not receiving the report reminders.
> > >
> > > [1] We should enhance this page to explain more detail about
> > > how the set of reporting mailing list addresses are handled.
> > > I have explained it many times in email, so we should find
> > > that and add it to this doc.
> > > http://incubator.apache.org/facilities.html#reminders
> >
> > The "Voting Status" monitor (the poor neglected thing!)
> > has also been trying to warn about this issue.
> > See the top-left of http://incubator.apache.org/
> > and then the bottom table.
> >
> > -David
> >
> > > > Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > Twitter: @rmannibucau
> > > > Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> > > > LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> > > > Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/11/7 David Crossley <crossley@apache.org>:
> > > > >
> > > > > Those two reminders are intended for BatchEE and Sirona.
> > > > >
> > > > > Their email dev list archive is not yet available,
> > > > > so this goes to general@ list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clutch does detect their commits lists, but not their dev lists.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator
> > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#sirona.incubator
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know why?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are they missing moderators or something?
> > > > >
> > > > > -David
> > >
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