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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 06:48:42 +0200
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>
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+1, sounds like the logo idea will be easy ;)
Le 2 oct. 2013 01:01, "Olivier Lamy" <olamy@apache.org> a =E9crit :

> So Apache Merlin sounds good to me.
> Any objections?
>
> On 25 September 2013 23:47, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Nechtan sounds cool also. Please note, in the german wikipedia its
> > translated with "The tremendousness". This is not noted on the english
> > wikipedia. After reading wikipedia I am still not sure what Nechtan
> stands
> > for. But I like its sound.
> >
> > I just found "Sirona", goddess of healing. Because monitoring is
> > "identifying the sickness before its getting worse". However, Sirona is
> used
> > by companies related to healing (aka dental works).
> >
> > What I found interesting is this page claims Merlin being a god:
> > http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/celtic.htm
> > of protecting, counseling, crystal reading and so.
> >
> > A few projects use Merlin, but all are very small ant not related to
> > monitoring.
> > There is a project management software called marlin:
> > http://www.projectwizards.net/de/merlin/
> >
> > I believe we currently have:
> >
> > Apache Leitstand
> > Apache Nechtan
> > Apache Merlin
> > Apache Sirona
> > Apache Heimdall
> > Apache Dagr
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25 Sep 2013, at 15:03, Stephen Connolly wrote:
> >
> >> Why not try Celtic mythology.... I was thinking "Apache Nechtan" due t=
o
> >> the
> >> association with access to knowledge and floods... but heck I am not
> good
> >> on my Irish mythology and the Norse ones always sounded way cooler
> >>
> >>
> >> On 25 September 2013 13:23, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I also see thor is being used by infra:
> >>> status.apache.org
> >>>
> >>> (mentioning, because it has been proposed as name too).
> >>>
> >>> However, it's not so bad. I actually mixed up Baldur with Heimdall, w=
ho
> >>> is
> >>> the actual "protector" of Bifr=F6st. Baldur was more known because he=
 was
> >>> able to return from Hel (sounds like a good name for a server ;-)
> >>> A quick crosscheck told me Heimdall is not used that often.
> >>>
> >>> For those who were concerned about using nordic godnames: Heimdall wa=
s
> >>> named as the "father of all humans".
> >>>
> >>> He was also known for his horn Gjallarhorn which he blew when danger
> >>> appeared. Most notable he blew that horn when Ragnar=F6kr (the end of=
 our
> >>> time and the fall of the gods) starts.
> >>>
> >>> I imagine the sound of a horn when critical notification of the tool
> >>> happens ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Another idea i just had was "Dagr". It old norsk for "Day". In old
> myths
> >>> Dagr is the son of night and he rides his horse Skinfaxi through
> heaven.
> >>> The crest of the horse lights the earth with golden shimmer. I imagin=
e
> >>> Apache Dagr to shed light on the dark corners of our applications.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Heck, when I was young i read a lot about northern mythology. Its so
> >>> poetic. I should spend some time to read again.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 25 Sep 2013, at 10:19, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 09/25/2013 09:21 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Baldr is fine with me, my only concern is the similarity to Apache
> >>>>> Buildr.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Just a heads up from infra; baldr.apache.org is already very much a
> >>>> thing, and has been for more than five years. If it can be avoided,
> we'd
> >>>> really appreciate it if we can keep the name Baldr for our
> >>>> infrastructure.
> >>>>
> >>>> With regards,
> >>>> Daniel.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Tammo
> >>>>> Am 25.09.2013 01:18 schrieb "Olivier Lamy" <olamy@apache.org>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So what about Baldr?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> BTW we can start incubation using Monitoring then change the name
> for
> >>>>>> TLP?
> >>>>>> WDYT?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 21 September 2013 06:30, Christian Grobmeier <
> grobmeier@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would like to throw in this document:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/naming.html<
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We should make a few tests already before we start the process
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> officially.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> here is the current list, i felt so free to add a few comments
> >>>>>>> already.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - CoMon
> >>>>>>> There is "Common Software", a company. We might have a trademarks
> >>>>>>> problem because of similarity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Leitstand
> >>>>>>> Not sure if I like the sound :-), but did not find any repositori=
es
> >>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>> github. From the meaning, a Leitstand is usually something were y=
ou
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> adjust things (more power, less steam and so on). Monitoring woul=
d
> be
> >>>>>>> only a part of it. But on the other hand, it expresses things wel=
l
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> it is a unused word so far.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Thor
> >>>>>>> Great name, great god, but unfortunately a lot of people use that
> >>>>>>> name
> >>>>>>> for their code :-(
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Balder / Baldur, also possible: Baldr
> >>>>>>> I haven't see a lot with that name, but we need to check this mor=
e
> in
> >>>>>>> detail.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From that perspective, Leitstand would be the best catch from a
> >>>>>>> unique
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> point of view. I like Baldr very much from that meaning.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Lets see if there are more names the next days.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau schrieb:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Why not "CoMon"? Remind commons monitoring, that's fun and close=
r
> to
> >>>>>>>> english so easier to propagate IMO.
> >>>>>>>> Le 20 sept. 2013 12:59, "Jean-Baptiste Onofr=E9" <jb@nanthrax.ne=
t>
> a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> =E9crit :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I like the "Apache Leitstand" name.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>> JB
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 09/20/2013 09:51 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So if German is en vogue already, I'd propose "Apache Leitstand=
"
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> [1],
> >>>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>> means "control room". I think it would make also a nice name
> when
> >>>>>>>>>> pronounced in English. This of course only works if the GUI is
> an
> >>>>>>>>>> important
> >>>>>>>>>> piece of the project, which is the case if I understood
> correctly.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>> Tammo
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Leitstand<
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand>
> >>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand<
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitstand>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.or=
g
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So It looks we have more interested folks.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> But before starting the vote I'd like to find an other name f=
or
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> project.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Someone proposed "Baldur" or "Balder" (note, It's a popular
> >>>>>>>>>>> germanic
> >>>>>>>>>>> god). So as a French guy this proposition looks to be rude fo=
r
> me
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> :-).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> More seriously, this name doesn't hurt me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If any other propositions, it's time to speak.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Olivier
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 16 September 2013 08:25, Tammo van Lessen
> >>>>>>>>>>> <tvanlessen@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Am 15.09.2013 15:35 schrieb "Romain Manni-Bucau" <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Angular is great but i hope well keep extensibility possibl=
e
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> without
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> js.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> all case well get at least a thread on it to discuss about t=
he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> stack we
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> want and well use ;)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to that discussion ;) I'd prefer progressiv=
e
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> enhancement
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> over SPAs in this context as well. Or even http://roca-style.org.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Olivier Lamy
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
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