Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E52DF10D22 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16674 invoked by uid 500); 4 Oct 2013 19:48:09 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 16388 invoked by uid 500); 4 Oct 2013 19:48:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 16372 invoked by uid 99); 4 Oct 2013 19:48:08 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 19:48:08 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of gstein@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.181 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.212.181] (HELO mail-wi0-f181.google.com) (209.85.212.181) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 19:48:01 +0000 Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id ex4so2226815wid.8 for ; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=X39jjKcTCA6k6LETkSfKvcSJWlM3iOUwcIaY6sJ8kc4=; b=DcK7sobSvy5c+Flrypj1GVZXIPQiLJmMBMkRvMk3czqxSlCNhAdZ2DDY8I6wcK+6Es AMGCONWV7ZnhByAak3C7Xzh//aJDu3p7BWhLbSBF7XzcrbDNIbZpO8HF/rnjE34y47I+ pbDbWVDFCYbbaukJSLR5NpQ+WJHX2ZQw7KkgRT5YYTmXi4dnyfhD8N6KeueOg0lSYEnK q5eMiNzbMOS33itXMf+WTKcj18cc67yti4Kyy8BYIZ2ZIyCk/EFD4ssFMGj9LSUbdq1u VbxG+gzvn/8XiUDhBEcJksds86cJszNac0MMObrINwhobc0lSz12cFN+vesec+KNUWpL hM/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.10.8 with SMTP id e8mr8744653wib.65.1380916061629; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.93.37 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.93.37 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9511FA99-F12B-453D-8CEF-B991197E9C00@yahoo.com> References: <9511FA99-F12B-453D-8CEF-B991197E9C00@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:47:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Apache project bylaws From: Greg Stein To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3494a5174ce04e7ef9357 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --001a11c3494a5174ce04e7ef9357 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Oct 3, 2013 12:52 PM, "Joseph Schaefer" wrote: >... > e.g. how to vote properly > on personnel issues, and that should entirely suffice. Even Greg > doesn't seem to know what consensus voting means in this context, Really, Joe? Why did you throw that in? I know what consensus voting is. I also know some PMCs allow vetoes when adding new members. That was the point of my prior email: you are right that committership is done by consensus across the ASF, but that doesn't strictly hold for PMC membership. I think Roy phrased it once as "I am allowed to veto/refuse to work with that person. They are free to copy the codebase and establish a community of people willing to work with that person." Cheers, -g --001a11c3494a5174ce04e7ef9357--