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From Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
Date Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:01:11 GMT
So Apache Merlin sounds good to me.
Any objections?

On 25 September 2013 23:47, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nechtan sounds cool also. Please note, in the german wikipedia its
> translated with "The tremendousness". This is not noted on the english
> wikipedia. After reading wikipedia I am still not sure what Nechtan stands
> for. But I like its sound.
>
> I just found "Sirona", goddess of healing. Because monitoring is
> "identifying the sickness before its getting worse". However, Sirona is used
> by companies related to healing (aka dental works).
>
> What I found interesting is this page claims Merlin being a god:
> http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/celtic.htm
> of protecting, counseling, crystal reading and so.
>
> A few projects use Merlin, but all are very small ant not related to
> monitoring.
> There is a project management software called marlin:
> http://www.projectwizards.net/de/merlin/
>
> I believe we currently have:
>
> Apache Leitstand
> Apache Nechtan
> Apache Merlin
> Apache Sirona
> Apache Heimdall
> Apache Dagr
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> On 25 Sep 2013, at 15:03, Stephen Connolly wrote:
>
>> Why not try Celtic mythology.... I was thinking "Apache Nechtan" due to
>> the
>> association with access to knowledge and floods... but heck I am not good
>> on my Irish mythology and the Norse ones always sounded way cooler
>>
>>
>> On 25 September 2013 13:23, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I also see thor is being used by infra:
>>> status.apache.org
>>>
>>> (mentioning, because it has been proposed as name too).
>>>
>>> However, it's not so bad. I actually mixed up Baldur with Heimdall, who
>>> is
>>> the actual "protector" of Bifröst. Baldur was more known because he was
>>> able to return from Hel (sounds like a good name for a server ;-)
>>> A quick crosscheck told me Heimdall is not used that often.
>>>
>>> For those who were concerned about using nordic godnames: Heimdall was
>>> named as the "father of all humans".
>>>
>>> He was also known for his horn Gjallarhorn which he blew when danger
>>> appeared. Most notable he blew that horn when Ragnarökr (the end of our
>>> time and the fall of the gods) starts.
>>>
>>> I imagine the sound of a horn when critical notification of the tool
>>> happens ;-)
>>>
>>> Another idea i just had was "Dagr". It old norsk for "Day". In old myths
>>> Dagr is the son of night and he rides his horse Skinfaxi through heaven.
>>> The crest of the horse lights the earth with golden shimmer. I imagine
>>> Apache Dagr to shed light on the dark corners of our applications.
>>>
>>>
>>> Heck, when I was young i read a lot about northern mythology. Its so
>>> poetic. I should spend some time to read again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 Sep 2013, at 10:19, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2013 09:21 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Baldr is fine with me, my only concern is the similarity to Apache
>>>>> Buildr.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just a heads up from infra; baldr.apache.org is already very much a
>>>> thing, and has been for more than five years. If it can be avoided, we'd
>>>> really appreciate it if we can keep the name Baldr for our
>>>> infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>> With regards,
>>>> Daniel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tammo
>>>>> Am 25.09.2013 01:18 schrieb "Olivier Lamy" <olamy@apache.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>> So what about Baldr?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW we can start incubation using Monitoring then change the name
for
>>>>>> TLP?
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 September 2013 06:30, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to throw in this document:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/naming.html<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should make a few tests already before we start the process
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> officially.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here is the current list, i felt so free to add a few comments
>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - CoMon
>>>>>>> There is "Common Software", a company. We might have a trademarks
>>>>>>> problem because of similarity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Leitstand
>>>>>>> Not sure if I like the sound :-), but did not find any repositories
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> github. From the meaning, a Leitstand is usually something were
you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> adjust things (more power, less steam and so on). Monitoring
would be
>>>>>>> only a part of it. But on the other hand, it expresses things
well
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> it is a unused word so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Thor
>>>>>>> Great name, great god, but unfortunately a lot of people use
that
>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>> for their code :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Balder / Baldur, also possible: Baldr
>>>>>>> I haven't see a lot with that name, but we need to check this
more in
>>>>>>> detail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From that perspective, Leitstand would be the best catch from
a
>>>>>>> unique
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> point of view. I like Baldr very much from that meaning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets see if there are more names the next days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau schrieb:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why not "CoMon"? Remind commons monitoring, that's fun and
closer to
>>>>>>>> english so easier to propagate IMO.
>>>>>>>> Le 20 sept. 2013 12:59, "Jean-Baptiste Onofré" <jb@nanthrax.net>
a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like the "Apache Leitstand" name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 09/20/2013 09:51 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So if German is en vogue already, I'd propose "Apache
Leitstand"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1],
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> means "control room". I think it would make also
a nice name when
>>>>>>>>>> pronounced in English. This of course only works
if the GUI is an
>>>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>>> piece of the project, which is the case if I understood
correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Leitstand<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand>
>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitstand>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So It looks we have more interested folks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But before starting the vote I'd like to find
an other name for
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>>> Someone proposed "Baldur" or "Balder" (note,
It's a popular
>>>>>>>>>>> germanic
>>>>>>>>>>> god). So as a French guy this proposition looks
to be rude for me
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :-).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More seriously, this name doesn't hurt me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If any other propositions, it's time to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Olivier
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 September 2013 08:25, Tammo van Lessen
>>>>>>>>>>> <tvanlessen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 15.09.2013 15:35 schrieb "Romain Manni-Bucau"
<
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> rmannibucau@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angular is great but i hope well keep
extensibility possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> js.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> all case well get at least a thread on it
to discuss about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> stack we
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> want and well use ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to that discussion ;)
I'd prefer progressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> enhancement
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> over SPAs in this context as well. Or even http://roca-style.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Olivier Lamy
>>>>>>>>>>> Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
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>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
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