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From Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
Date Thu, 03 Oct 2013 12:08:57 GMT
Sounds good for me too.


On 2 October 2013 18:19, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
> -1 for Merlin. Just too widely used :(
> There are 10++ pages of trademarks in all fields in trademarkia, many of them in the
software area
>
>
>
> +1 for Sirona as it has a nice meaning and it seems to not be used for any software related
product so far.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013, 8:46
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 10/02/2013 01:01 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote:
>>>  So Apache Merlin sounds good to me.
>>>  Any objections?
>>>
>>>  On 25 September 2013 23:47, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>  Nechtan sounds cool also. Please note, in the german wikipedia its
>>>>  translated with "The tremendousness". This is not noted on
>> the english
>>>>  wikipedia. After reading wikipedia I am still not sure what Nechtan
>> stands
>>>>  for. But I like its sound.
>>>>
>>>>  I just found "Sirona", goddess of healing. Because monitoring
>> is
>>>>  "identifying the sickness before its getting worse". However,
>> Sirona is used
>>>>  by companies related to healing (aka dental works).
>>>>
>>>>  What I found interesting is this page claims Merlin being a god:
>>>>  http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/celtic.htm
>>>>  of protecting, counseling, crystal reading and so.
>>>>
>>>>  A few projects use Merlin, but all are very small ant not related to
>>>>  monitoring.
>>>>  There is a project management software called marlin:
>>>>  http://www.projectwizards.net/de/merlin/
>>>>
>>>>  I believe we currently have:
>>>>
>>>>  Apache Leitstand
>>>>  Apache Nechtan
>>>>  Apache Merlin
>>>>  Apache Sirona
>>>>  Apache Heimdall
>>>>  Apache Dagr
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 25 Sep 2013, at 15:03, Stephen Connolly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Why not try Celtic mythology.... I was thinking "Apache
>> Nechtan" due to
>>>>>  the
>>>>>  association with access to knowledge and floods... but heck I am
>> not good
>>>>>  on my Irish mythology and the Norse ones always sounded way cooler
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 25 September 2013 13:23, Christian Grobmeier
>> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I also see thor is being used by infra:
>>>>>>  status.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  (mentioning, because it has been proposed as name too).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  However, it's not so bad. I actually mixed up Baldur with
>> Heimdall, who
>>>>>>  is
>>>>>>  the actual "protector" of Bifröst. Baldur was more
>> known because he was
>>>>>>  able to return from Hel (sounds like a good name for a server
>> ;-)
>>>>>>  A quick crosscheck told me Heimdall is not used that often.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  For those who were concerned about using nordic godnames:
>> Heimdall was
>>>>>>  named as the "father of all humans".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  He was also known for his horn Gjallarhorn which he blew when
>> danger
>>>>>>  appeared. Most notable he blew that horn when Ragnarökr (the
>> end of our
>>>>>>  time and the fall of the gods) starts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I imagine the sound of a horn when critical notification of the
>> tool
>>>>>>  happens ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Another idea i just had was "Dagr". It old norsk for
>> "Day". In old myths
>>>>>>  Dagr is the son of night and he rides his horse Skinfaxi
>> through heaven.
>>>>>>  The crest of the horse lights the earth with golden shimmer. I
>> imagine
>>>>>>  Apache Dagr to shed light on the dark corners of our
>> applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Heck, when I was young i read a lot about northern mythology.
>> Its so
>>>>>>  poetic. I should spend some time to read again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On 25 Sep 2013, at 10:19, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On 09/25/2013 09:21 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Baldr is fine with me, my only concern is the
>> similarity to Apache
>>>>>>>>  Buildr.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Just a heads up from infra; baldr.apache.org is already
>> very much a
>>>>>>>  thing, and has been for more than five years. If it can be
>> avoided, we'd
>>>>>>>  really appreciate it if we can keep the name Baldr for our
>>>>>>>  infrastructure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  With regards,
>>>>>>>  Daniel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Tammo
>>>>>>>>  Am 25.09.2013 01:18 schrieb "Olivier Lamy"
>> <olamy@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  So what about Baldr?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  BTW we can start incubation using Monitoring then
>> change the name for
>>>>>>>>>  TLP?
>>>>>>>>>  WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On 21 September 2013 06:30, Christian Grobmeier
>> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  I would like to throw in this document:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/naming.html<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  We should make a few tests already before we
>> start the process
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  officially.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  here is the current list, i felt so free to add
>> a few comments
>>>>>>>>>>  already.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  - CoMon
>>>>>>>>>>  There is "Common Software", a
>> company. We might have a trademarks
>>>>>>>>>>  problem because of similarity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  - Leitstand
>>>>>>>>>>  Not sure if I like the sound :-), but did not
>> find any repositories
>>>>>>>>>>  at
>>>>>>>>>>  github. From the meaning, a Leitstand is
>> usually something were you
>>>>>>>>>>  can
>>>>>>>>>>  adjust things (more power, less steam and so
>> on). Monitoring would be
>>>>>>>>>>  only a part of it. But on the other hand, it
>> expresses things well
>>>>>>>>>>  and
>>>>>>>>>>  it is a unused word so far.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  - Thor
>>>>>>>>>>  Great name, great god, but unfortunately a lot
>> of people use that
>>>>>>>>>>  name
>>>>>>>>>>  for their code :-(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  - Balder / Baldur, also possible: Baldr
>>>>>>>>>>  I haven't see a lot with that name, but we
>> need to check this more in
>>>>>>>>>>  detail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   From that perspective, Leitstand would be the
>> best catch from a
>>>>>>>>>>  unique
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  point of view. I like Baldr very much from that
>> meaning.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Lets see if there are more names the next days.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Romain Manni-Bucau schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Why not "CoMon"? Remind commons
>> monitoring, that's fun and closer to
>>>>>>>>>>>  english so easier to propagate IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Le 20 sept. 2013 12:59, "Jean-Baptiste
>> Onofré" <jb@nanthrax.net> a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  écrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I like the "Apache Leitstand"
>> name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>  JB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 09/20/2013 09:51 AM, Tammo van
>> Lessen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  So if German is en vogue already,
>> I'd propose "Apache Leitstand"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [1],
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  means "control room". I
>> think it would make also a nice name when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  pronounced in English. This of
>> course only works if the GUI is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  important
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  piece of the project, which is the
>> case if I understood correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tammo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Leitstand<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitstand>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:23 AM,
>> Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  So It looks we have more interested
>> folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  But before starting the vote
>> I'd like to find an other name for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Someone proposed
>> "Baldur" or "Balder" (note, It's a popular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  germanic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  god). So as a French guy this
>> proposition looks to be rude for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  :-).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  More seriously, this name doesn't hurt me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  If any other propositions,
>> it's time to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Olivier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 16 September 2013 08:25,
>> Tammo van Lessen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <tvanlessen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Am 15.09.2013 15:35 schrieb
>> "Romain Manni-Bucau" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  rmannibucau@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Angular is great but i
>> hope well keep extensibility possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  without
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  js.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  all case well get at least
>> a thread on it to discuss about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  stack we
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  want and well use ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Looking forward to that
>> discussion ;) I'd prefer progressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  enhancement
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  over SPAs in this context as well. Or even
>> http://roca-style.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tammo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Olivier Lamy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  http://twitter.com/olamy |
>> http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
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