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From Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <jeano...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
Date Thu, 03 Oct 2013 12:18:54 GMT
No problem, that sounds good as well.

JLouis


2013/10/3 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>

> works for me too
>
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> 2013/10/3 Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>
>
> > Sounds good for me too.
> >
> >
> > On 2 October 2013 18:19, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > > -1 for Merlin. Just too widely used :(
> > > There are 10++ pages of trademarks in all fields in trademarkia, many
> of
> > them in the software area
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > +1 for Sirona as it has a nice meaning and it seems to not be used for
> > any software related product so far.
> > >
> > > LieGrue,
> > > strub
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
> > >> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > >> Cc:
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013, 8:46
> > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
> > >>
> > >> +1
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> JB
> > >>
> > >> On 10/02/2013 01:01 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote:
> > >>>  So Apache Merlin sounds good to me.
> > >>>  Any objections?
> > >>>
> > >>>  On 25 September 2013 23:47, Christian Grobmeier <
> grobmeier@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>  Nechtan sounds cool also. Please note, in the german wikipedia
its
> > >>>>  translated with "The tremendousness". This is not noted on
> > >> the english
> > >>>>  wikipedia. After reading wikipedia I am still not sure what Nechtan
> > >> stands
> > >>>>  for. But I like its sound.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  I just found "Sirona", goddess of healing. Because monitoring
> > >> is
> > >>>>  "identifying the sickness before its getting worse". However,
> > >> Sirona is used
> > >>>>  by companies related to healing (aka dental works).
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  What I found interesting is this page claims Merlin being a god:
> > >>>>  http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/celtic.htm
> > >>>>  of protecting, counseling, crystal reading and so.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  A few projects use Merlin, but all are very small ant not related
> to
> > >>>>  monitoring.
> > >>>>  There is a project management software called marlin:
> > >>>>  http://www.projectwizards.net/de/merlin/
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  I believe we currently have:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Apache Leitstand
> > >>>>  Apache Nechtan
> > >>>>  Apache Merlin
> > >>>>  Apache Sirona
> > >>>>  Apache Heimdall
> > >>>>  Apache Dagr
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Cheers
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  On 25 Sep 2013, at 15:03, Stephen Connolly wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  Why not try Celtic mythology.... I was thinking "Apache
> > >> Nechtan" due to
> > >>>>>  the
> > >>>>>  association with access to knowledge and floods... but heck
I am
> > >> not good
> > >>>>>  on my Irish mythology and the Norse ones always sounded way
cooler
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  On 25 September 2013 13:23, Christian Grobmeier
> > >> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>  wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>  I also see thor is being used by infra:
> > >>>>>>  status.apache.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  (mentioning, because it has been proposed as name too).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  However, it's not so bad. I actually mixed up Baldur with
> > >> Heimdall, who
> > >>>>>>  is
> > >>>>>>  the actual "protector" of Bifröst. Baldur was more
> > >> known because he was
> > >>>>>>  able to return from Hel (sounds like a good name for a
server
> > >> ;-)
> > >>>>>>  A quick crosscheck told me Heimdall is not used that often.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  For those who were concerned about using nordic godnames:
> > >> Heimdall was
> > >>>>>>  named as the "father of all humans".
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  He was also known for his horn Gjallarhorn which he blew
when
> > >> danger
> > >>>>>>  appeared. Most notable he blew that horn when Ragnarökr
(the
> > >> end of our
> > >>>>>>  time and the fall of the gods) starts.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  I imagine the sound of a horn when critical notification
of the
> > >> tool
> > >>>>>>  happens ;-)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  Another idea i just had was "Dagr". It old norsk for
> > >> "Day". In old myths
> > >>>>>>  Dagr is the son of night and he rides his horse Skinfaxi
> > >> through heaven.
> > >>>>>>  The crest of the horse lights the earth with golden shimmer.
I
> > >> imagine
> > >>>>>>  Apache Dagr to shed light on the dark corners of our
> > >> applications.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  Heck, when I was young i read a lot about northern mythology.
> > >> Its so
> > >>>>>>  poetic. I should spend some time to read again.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  On 25 Sep 2013, at 10:19, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  On 09/25/2013 09:21 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>  Baldr is fine with me, my only concern is the
> > >> similarity to Apache
> > >>>>>>>>  Buildr.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  Just a heads up from infra; baldr.apache.org is already
> > >> very much a
> > >>>>>>>  thing, and has been for more than five years. If it
can be
> > >> avoided, we'd
> > >>>>>>>  really appreciate it if we can keep the name Baldr
for our
> > >>>>>>>  infrastructure.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  With regards,
> > >>>>>>>  Daniel.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>  Tammo
> > >>>>>>>>  Am 25.09.2013 01:18 schrieb "Olivier Lamy"
> > >> <olamy@apache.org>:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>  So what about Baldr?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>  BTW we can start incubation using Monitoring
then
> > >> change the name for
> > >>>>>>>>>  TLP?
> > >>>>>>>>>  WDYT?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>  On 21 September 2013 06:30, Christian Grobmeier
> > >> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  I would like to throw in this document:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/naming.html<
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  We should make a few tests already before
we
> > >> start the process
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>  officially.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  here is the current list, i felt so free
to add
> > >> a few comments
> > >>>>>>>>>>  already.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  - CoMon
> > >>>>>>>>>>  There is "Common Software", a
> > >> company. We might have a trademarks
> > >>>>>>>>>>  problem because of similarity.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  - Leitstand
> > >>>>>>>>>>  Not sure if I like the sound :-), but
did not
> > >> find any repositories
> > >>>>>>>>>>  at
> > >>>>>>>>>>  github. From the meaning, a Leitstand
is
> > >> usually something were you
> > >>>>>>>>>>  can
> > >>>>>>>>>>  adjust things (more power, less steam
and so
> > >> on). Monitoring would be
> > >>>>>>>>>>  only a part of it. But on the other hand,
it
> > >> expresses things well
> > >>>>>>>>>>  and
> > >>>>>>>>>>  it is a unused word so far.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  - Thor
> > >>>>>>>>>>  Great name, great god, but unfortunately
a lot
> > >> of people use that
> > >>>>>>>>>>  name
> > >>>>>>>>>>  for their code :-(
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  - Balder / Baldur, also possible: Baldr
> > >>>>>>>>>>  I haven't see a lot with that name, but
we
> > >> need to check this more in
> > >>>>>>>>>>  detail.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>   From that perspective, Leitstand would
be the
> > >> best catch from a
> > >>>>>>>>>>  unique
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  point of view. I like Baldr very much
from that
> > >> meaning.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  Lets see if there are more names the next
days.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  Romain Manni-Bucau schrieb:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>  Why not "CoMon"? Remind commons
> > >> monitoring, that's fun and closer to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>  english so easier to propagate IMO.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>  Le 20 sept. 2013 12:59, "Jean-Baptiste
> > >> Onofré" <jb@nanthrax.net> a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  écrit :
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>  I like the "Apache Leitstand"
> > >> name.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  Regards
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  JB
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  On 09/20/2013 09:51 AM, Tammo
van
> > >> Lessen wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  So if German is en vogue already,
> > >> I'd propose "Apache Leitstand"
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  [1],
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  which
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  means "control room". I
> > >> think it would make also a nice name when
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  pronounced in English. This
of
> > >> course only works if the GUI is an
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  important
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  piece of the project, which
is the
> > >> case if I understood correctly.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tammo
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  [1]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Leitstand<
> > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand<
> > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitstand>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:23
AM,
> > >> Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  So It looks we have more interested
> > >> folks.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  But before starting the
vote
> > >> I'd like to find an other name for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  project.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Someone proposed
> > >> "Baldur" or "Balder" (note, It's a popular
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  germanic
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  god). So as a French guy
this
> > >> proposition looks to be rude for me
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  :-).
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  More seriously, this name doesn't hurt
me.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  If any other propositions,
> > >> it's time to speak.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Olivier
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 16 September 2013 08:25,
> > >> Tammo van Lessen
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <tvanlessen@gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Am 15.09.2013 15:35 schrieb
> > >> "Romain Manni-Bucau" <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  :
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Angular is great
but i
> > >> hope well keep extensibility possible
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  without
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  js.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  all case well get
at least
> > >> a thread on it to discuss about the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  stack we
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  want and well use ;)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Looking forward
to that
> > >> discussion ;) I'd prefer progressive
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  enhancement
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>  over SPAs in this context as well. Or
even
> > >> http://roca-style.org.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tammo
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Olivier Lamy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  http://twitter.com/olamy
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