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From Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
Date Thu, 03 Oct 2013 12:12:06 GMT
works for me too

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2013/10/3 Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>

> Sounds good for me too.
>
>
> On 2 October 2013 18:19, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > -1 for Merlin. Just too widely used :(
> > There are 10++ pages of trademarks in all fields in trademarkia, many of
> them in the software area
> >
> >
> >
> > +1 for Sirona as it has a nice meaning and it seems to not be used for
> any software related product so far.
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >> Cc:
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013, 8:46
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >> On 10/02/2013 01:01 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote:
> >>>  So Apache Merlin sounds good to me.
> >>>  Any objections?
> >>>
> >>>  On 25 September 2013 23:47, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>  Nechtan sounds cool also. Please note, in the german wikipedia its
> >>>>  translated with "The tremendousness". This is not noted on
> >> the english
> >>>>  wikipedia. After reading wikipedia I am still not sure what Nechtan
> >> stands
> >>>>  for. But I like its sound.
> >>>>
> >>>>  I just found "Sirona", goddess of healing. Because monitoring
> >> is
> >>>>  "identifying the sickness before its getting worse". However,
> >> Sirona is used
> >>>>  by companies related to healing (aka dental works).
> >>>>
> >>>>  What I found interesting is this page claims Merlin being a god:
> >>>>  http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/celtic.htm
> >>>>  of protecting, counseling, crystal reading and so.
> >>>>
> >>>>  A few projects use Merlin, but all are very small ant not related to
> >>>>  monitoring.
> >>>>  There is a project management software called marlin:
> >>>>  http://www.projectwizards.net/de/merlin/
> >>>>
> >>>>  I believe we currently have:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Apache Leitstand
> >>>>  Apache Nechtan
> >>>>  Apache Merlin
> >>>>  Apache Sirona
> >>>>  Apache Heimdall
> >>>>  Apache Dagr
> >>>>
> >>>>  Cheers
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  On 25 Sep 2013, at 15:03, Stephen Connolly wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>  Why not try Celtic mythology.... I was thinking "Apache
> >> Nechtan" due to
> >>>>>  the
> >>>>>  association with access to knowledge and floods... but heck I am
> >> not good
> >>>>>  on my Irish mythology and the Norse ones always sounded way cooler
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  On 25 September 2013 13:23, Christian Grobmeier
> >> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>  I also see thor is being used by infra:
> >>>>>>  status.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  (mentioning, because it has been proposed as name too).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  However, it's not so bad. I actually mixed up Baldur with
> >> Heimdall, who
> >>>>>>  is
> >>>>>>  the actual "protector" of Bifröst. Baldur was more
> >> known because he was
> >>>>>>  able to return from Hel (sounds like a good name for a server
> >> ;-)
> >>>>>>  A quick crosscheck told me Heimdall is not used that often.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  For those who were concerned about using nordic godnames:
> >> Heimdall was
> >>>>>>  named as the "father of all humans".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  He was also known for his horn Gjallarhorn which he blew when
> >> danger
> >>>>>>  appeared. Most notable he blew that horn when Ragnarökr (the
> >> end of our
> >>>>>>  time and the fall of the gods) starts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  I imagine the sound of a horn when critical notification of
the
> >> tool
> >>>>>>  happens ;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Another idea i just had was "Dagr". It old norsk for
> >> "Day". In old myths
> >>>>>>  Dagr is the son of night and he rides his horse Skinfaxi
> >> through heaven.
> >>>>>>  The crest of the horse lights the earth with golden shimmer.
I
> >> imagine
> >>>>>>  Apache Dagr to shed light on the dark corners of our
> >> applications.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Heck, when I was young i read a lot about northern mythology.
> >> Its so
> >>>>>>  poetic. I should spend some time to read again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  On 25 Sep 2013, at 10:19, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  On 09/25/2013 09:21 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Baldr is fine with me, my only concern is the
> >> similarity to Apache
> >>>>>>>>  Buildr.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Just a heads up from infra; baldr.apache.org is already
> >> very much a
> >>>>>>>  thing, and has been for more than five years. If it can
be
> >> avoided, we'd
> >>>>>>>  really appreciate it if we can keep the name Baldr for
our
> >>>>>>>  infrastructure.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  With regards,
> >>>>>>>  Daniel.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Tammo
> >>>>>>>>  Am 25.09.2013 01:18 schrieb "Olivier Lamy"
> >> <olamy@apache.org>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  So what about Baldr?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  BTW we can start incubation using Monitoring then
> >> change the name for
> >>>>>>>>>  TLP?
> >>>>>>>>>  WDYT?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  On 21 September 2013 06:30, Christian Grobmeier
> >> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  I would like to throw in this document:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/naming.html<
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  We should make a few tests already before we
> >> start the process
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  officially.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  here is the current list, i felt so free to
add
> >> a few comments
> >>>>>>>>>>  already.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  - CoMon
> >>>>>>>>>>  There is "Common Software", a
> >> company. We might have a trademarks
> >>>>>>>>>>  problem because of similarity.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  - Leitstand
> >>>>>>>>>>  Not sure if I like the sound :-), but did not
> >> find any repositories
> >>>>>>>>>>  at
> >>>>>>>>>>  github. From the meaning, a Leitstand is
> >> usually something were you
> >>>>>>>>>>  can
> >>>>>>>>>>  adjust things (more power, less steam and so
> >> on). Monitoring would be
> >>>>>>>>>>  only a part of it. But on the other hand, it
> >> expresses things well
> >>>>>>>>>>  and
> >>>>>>>>>>  it is a unused word so far.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  - Thor
> >>>>>>>>>>  Great name, great god, but unfortunately a
lot
> >> of people use that
> >>>>>>>>>>  name
> >>>>>>>>>>  for their code :-(
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  - Balder / Baldur, also possible: Baldr
> >>>>>>>>>>  I haven't see a lot with that name, but we
> >> need to check this more in
> >>>>>>>>>>  detail.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>   From that perspective, Leitstand would be
the
> >> best catch from a
> >>>>>>>>>>  unique
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  point of view. I like Baldr very much from
that
> >> meaning.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  Lets see if there are more names the next days.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  Romain Manni-Bucau schrieb:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>  Why not "CoMon"? Remind commons
> >> monitoring, that's fun and closer to
> >>>>>>>>>>>  english so easier to propagate IMO.
> >>>>>>>>>>>  Le 20 sept. 2013 12:59, "Jean-Baptiste
> >> Onofré" <jb@nanthrax.net> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  écrit :
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>  I like the "Apache Leitstand"
> >> name.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  Regards
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  JB
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  On 09/20/2013 09:51 AM, Tammo van
> >> Lessen wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  So if German is en vogue already,
> >> I'd propose "Apache Leitstand"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  [1],
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  means "control room". I
> >> think it would make also a nice name when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  pronounced in English. This of
> >> course only works if the GUI is an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  important
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  piece of the project, which is
the
> >> case if I understood correctly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tammo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Leitstand<
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand<
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitstand>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:23 AM,
> >> Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  So It looks we have more interested
> >> folks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  But before starting the vote
> >> I'd like to find an other name for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  project.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Someone proposed
> >> "Baldur" or "Balder" (note, It's a popular
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  germanic
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  god). So as a French guy this
> >> proposition looks to be rude for me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  :-).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  More seriously, this name doesn't hurt me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  If any other propositions,
> >> it's time to speak.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Olivier
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 16 September 2013 08:25,
> >> Tammo van Lessen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <tvanlessen@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Am 15.09.2013 15:35 schrieb
> >> "Romain Manni-Bucau" <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Angular is great but
i
> >> hope well keep extensibility possible
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  without
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  js.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  all case well get at least
> >> a thread on it to discuss about the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  stack we
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  want and well use ;)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Looking forward to
that
> >> discussion ;) I'd prefer progressive
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  enhancement
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  over SPAs in this context as well. Or even
> >> http://roca-style.org.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tammo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Olivier Lamy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  http://twitter.com/olamy |
> >> http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
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