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From "Christian Grobmeier" <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
Date Mon, 07 Oct 2013 11:26:50 GMT
Thanks a lot Olivier

On 7 Oct 2013, at 1:26, Olivier Lamy wrote:

> Page renamed: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/SironaProposal
> I will wait until tomorrow if no more objections then start the vote.
>
>
> On 7 October 2013 09:59, Tammo van Lessen <tvanlessen@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> +1 for Sirona
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Ashish <paliwalashish@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1, sounds good
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So Apache Merlin sounds good to me.
>>>> Any objections?
>>>>
>>>> On 25 September 2013 23:47, Christian Grobmeier 
>>>> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Nechtan sounds cool also. Please note, in the german wikipedia its
>>>>> translated with "The tremendousness". This is not noted on the 
>>>>> english
>>>>> wikipedia. After reading wikipedia I am still not sure what 
>>>>> Nechtan
>>>> stands
>>>>> for. But I like its sound.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just found "Sirona", goddess of healing. Because monitoring is
>>>>> "identifying the sickness before its getting worse". However, 
>>>>> Sirona is
>>>> used
>>>>> by companies related to healing (aka dental works).
>>>>>
>>>>> What I found interesting is this page claims Merlin being a god:
>>>>> http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/celtic.htm
>>>>> of protecting, counseling, crystal reading and so.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few projects use Merlin, but all are very small ant not related 
>>>>> to
>>>>> monitoring.
>>>>> There is a project management software called marlin:
>>>>> http://www.projectwizards.net/de/merlin/
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe we currently have:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apache Leitstand
>>>>> Apache Nechtan
>>>>> Apache Merlin
>>>>> Apache Sirona
>>>>> Apache Heimdall
>>>>> Apache Dagr
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Sep 2013, at 15:03, Stephen Connolly wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not try Celtic mythology.... I was thinking "Apache Nechtan"

>>>>>> due
>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> association with access to knowledge and floods... but heck I am

>>>>>> not
>>>> good
>>>>>> on my Irish mythology and the Norse ones always sounded way 
>>>>>> cooler
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 September 2013 13:23, Christian Grobmeier 
>>>>>> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also see thor is being used by infra:
>>>>>>> status.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (mentioning, because it has been proposed as name too).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, it's not so bad. I actually mixed up Baldur with 
>>>>>>> Heimdall,
>>> who
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the actual "protector" of Bifröst. Baldur was more known 
>>>>>>> because he
>>> was
>>>>>>> able to return from Hel (sounds like a good name for a server

>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>> A quick crosscheck told me Heimdall is not used that often.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those who were concerned about using nordic godnames: 
>>>>>>> Heimdall
>>> was
>>>>>>> named as the "father of all humans".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He was also known for his horn Gjallarhorn which he blew when

>>>>>>> danger
>>>>>>> appeared. Most notable he blew that horn when Ragnarökr (the

>>>>>>> end of
>>> our
>>>>>>> time and the fall of the gods) starts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I imagine the sound of a horn when critical notification of the

>>>>>>> tool
>>>>>>> happens ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another idea i just had was "Dagr". It old norsk for "Day". In

>>>>>>> old
>>>> myths
>>>>>>> Dagr is the son of night and he rides his horse Skinfaxi through
>>>> heaven.
>>>>>>> The crest of the horse lights the earth with golden shimmer.
I
>>> imagine
>>>>>>> Apache Dagr to shed light on the dark corners of our 
>>>>>>> applications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heck, when I was young i read a lot about northern mythology.

>>>>>>> Its so
>>>>>>> poetic. I should spend some time to read again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 Sep 2013, at 10:19, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/25/2013 09:21 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Baldr is fine with me, my only concern is the similarity
to 
>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>> Buildr.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just a heads up from infra; baldr.apache.org is already very

>>>>>>>> much a
>>>>>>>> thing, and has been for more than five years. If it can be

>>>>>>>> avoided,
>>>> we'd
>>>>>>>> really appreciate it if we can keep the name Baldr for our
>>>>>>>> infrastructure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>> Daniel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>>>>>>>>> Am 25.09.2013 01:18 schrieb "Olivier Lamy" <olamy@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So what about Baldr?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW we can start incubation using Monitoring then
change the 
>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> TLP?
>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 21 September 2013 06:30, Christian Grobmeier <
>>>> grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to throw in this document:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/naming.html<
>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We should make a few tests already before we
start the 
>>>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> officially.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> here is the current list, i felt so free to add
a few 
>>>>>>>>>>> comments
>>>>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - CoMon
>>>>>>>>>>> There is "Common Software", a company. We might
have a 
>>>>>>>>>>> trademarks
>>>>>>>>>>> problem because of similarity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Leitstand
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if I like the sound :-), but did not
find any
>>> repositories
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> github. From the meaning, a Leitstand is usually
something 
>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> adjust things (more power, less steam and so
on). Monitoring
>>> would
>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> only a part of it. But on the other hand, it
expresses 
>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> it is a unused word so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Thor
>>>>>>>>>>> Great name, great god, but unfortunately a lot
of people use 
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>> for their code :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Balder / Baldur, also possible: Baldr
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't see a lot with that name, but we need
to check 
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>> more
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> detail.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From that perspective, Leitstand would be the
best catch 
>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>> unique
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> point of view. I like Baldr very much from that
meaning.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lets see if there are more names the next days.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not "CoMon"? Remind commons monitoring,
that's fun and
>>> closer
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> english so easier to propagate IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 20 sept. 2013 12:59, "Jean-Baptiste Onofré"

>>>>>>>>>>>> <jb@nanthrax.net
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the "Apache Leitstand" name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/20/2013 09:51 AM, Tammo van Lessen
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if German is en vogue already, I'd
propose "Apache
>>> Leitstand"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1],
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means "control room". I think it
would make also a nice 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pronounced in English. This of course
only works if the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI is
>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of the project, which is the
case if I understood
>>>> correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Leitstand<
>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand<
>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitstand>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:23 AM,
Olivier Lamy <
>>> olamy@apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So It looks we have more interested
folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But before starting the vote
I'd like to find an other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone proposed "Baldur" or
"Balder" (note, It's a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> popular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> germanic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god). So as a French guy this
proposition looks to be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rude
>>> for
>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More seriously, this name doesn't hurt me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If any other propositions, it's
time to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olivier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 September 2013 08:25, Tammo
van Lessen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tvanlessen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 15.09.2013 15:35 schrieb "Romain
Manni-Bucau" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rmannibucau@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angular is great but
i hope well keep extensibility
>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> js.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all case well get at least
a thread on it to discuss 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stack we
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> want and well use ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to that
discussion ;) I'd prefer
>>> progressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhancement
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> over SPAs in this context as well. Or even 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://roca-style.org
>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olivier Lamy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
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