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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
Date Wed, 02 Oct 2013 08:19:33 GMT
-1 for Merlin. Just too widely used :( 
There are 10++ pages of trademarks in all fields in trademarkia, many of them in the software
area



+1 for Sirona as it has a nice meaning and it seems to not be used for any software related
product so far.

LieGrue,
strub




----- Original Message -----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013, 8:46
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
> 
> +1
> 
> Regards
> JB
> 
> On 10/02/2013 01:01 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote:
>>  So Apache Merlin sounds good to me.
>>  Any objections?
>> 
>>  On 25 September 2013 23:47, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>>>  Nechtan sounds cool also. Please note, in the german wikipedia its
>>>  translated with "The tremendousness". This is not noted on 
> the english
>>>  wikipedia. After reading wikipedia I am still not sure what Nechtan 
> stands
>>>  for. But I like its sound.
>>> 
>>>  I just found "Sirona", goddess of healing. Because monitoring 
> is
>>>  "identifying the sickness before its getting worse". However, 
> Sirona is used
>>>  by companies related to healing (aka dental works).
>>> 
>>>  What I found interesting is this page claims Merlin being a god:
>>>  http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/celtic.htm
>>>  of protecting, counseling, crystal reading and so.
>>> 
>>>  A few projects use Merlin, but all are very small ant not related to
>>>  monitoring.
>>>  There is a project management software called marlin:
>>>  http://www.projectwizards.net/de/merlin/
>>> 
>>>  I believe we currently have:
>>> 
>>>  Apache Leitstand
>>>  Apache Nechtan
>>>  Apache Merlin
>>>  Apache Sirona
>>>  Apache Heimdall
>>>  Apache Dagr
>>> 
>>>  Cheers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On 25 Sep 2013, at 15:03, Stephen Connolly wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  Why not try Celtic mythology.... I was thinking "Apache 
> Nechtan" due to
>>>>  the
>>>>  association with access to knowledge and floods... but heck I am 
> not good
>>>>  on my Irish mythology and the Norse ones always sounded way cooler
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  On 25 September 2013 13:23, Christian Grobmeier 
> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>  I also see thor is being used by infra:
>>>>>  status.apache.org
>>>>> 
>>>>>  (mentioning, because it has been proposed as name too).
>>>>> 
>>>>>  However, it's not so bad. I actually mixed up Baldur with 
> Heimdall, who
>>>>>  is
>>>>>  the actual "protector" of Bifröst. Baldur was more 
> known because he was
>>>>>  able to return from Hel (sounds like a good name for a server 
> ;-)
>>>>>  A quick crosscheck told me Heimdall is not used that often.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  For those who were concerned about using nordic godnames: 
> Heimdall was
>>>>>  named as the "father of all humans".
>>>>> 
>>>>>  He was also known for his horn Gjallarhorn which he blew when 
> danger
>>>>>  appeared. Most notable he blew that horn when Ragnarökr (the 
> end of our
>>>>>  time and the fall of the gods) starts.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  I imagine the sound of a horn when critical notification of the 
> tool
>>>>>  happens ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Another idea i just had was "Dagr". It old norsk for 
> "Day". In old myths
>>>>>  Dagr is the son of night and he rides his horse Skinfaxi 
> through heaven.
>>>>>  The crest of the horse lights the earth with golden shimmer. I 
> imagine
>>>>>  Apache Dagr to shed light on the dark corners of our 
> applications.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Heck, when I was young i read a lot about northern mythology. 
> Its so
>>>>>  poetic. I should spend some time to read again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  On 25 Sep 2013, at 10:19, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  On 09/25/2013 09:21 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Baldr is fine with me, my only concern is the 
> similarity to Apache
>>>>>>>  Buildr.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Just a heads up from infra; baldr.apache.org is already 
> very much a
>>>>>>  thing, and has been for more than five years. If it can be 
> avoided, we'd
>>>>>>  really appreciate it if we can keep the name Baldr for our
>>>>>>  infrastructure.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  With regards,
>>>>>>  Daniel.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Tammo
>>>>>>>  Am 25.09.2013 01:18 schrieb "Olivier Lamy" 
> <olamy@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  So what about Baldr?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  BTW we can start incubation using Monitoring then 
> change the name for
>>>>>>>>  TLP?
>>>>>>>>  WDYT?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  On 21 September 2013 06:30, Christian Grobmeier 
> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  I would like to throw in this document:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/naming.html<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  We should make a few tests already before we 
> start the process
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  officially.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  here is the current list, i felt so free to add 
> a few comments
>>>>>>>>>  already.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  - CoMon
>>>>>>>>>  There is "Common Software", a 
> company. We might have a trademarks
>>>>>>>>>  problem because of similarity.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  - Leitstand
>>>>>>>>>  Not sure if I like the sound :-), but did not 
> find any repositories
>>>>>>>>>  at
>>>>>>>>>  github. From the meaning, a Leitstand is 
> usually something were you
>>>>>>>>>  can
>>>>>>>>>  adjust things (more power, less steam and so 
> on). Monitoring would be
>>>>>>>>>  only a part of it. But on the other hand, it 
> expresses things well
>>>>>>>>>  and
>>>>>>>>>  it is a unused word so far.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  - Thor
>>>>>>>>>  Great name, great god, but unfortunately a lot 
> of people use that
>>>>>>>>>  name
>>>>>>>>>  for their code :-(
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  - Balder / Baldur, also possible: Baldr
>>>>>>>>>  I haven't see a lot with that name, but we 
> need to check this more in
>>>>>>>>>  detail.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   From that perspective, Leitstand would be the 
> best catch from a
>>>>>>>>>  unique
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  point of view. I like Baldr very much from that 
> meaning.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Lets see if there are more names the next days.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Romain Manni-Bucau schrieb:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  Why not "CoMon"? Remind commons 
> monitoring, that's fun and closer to
>>>>>>>>>>  english so easier to propagate IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>  Le 20 sept. 2013 12:59, "Jean-Baptiste 
> Onofré" <jb@nanthrax.net> a
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  écrit :
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  I like the "Apache Leitstand" 
> name.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>  JB
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  On 09/20/2013 09:51 AM, Tammo van 
> Lessen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  So if German is en vogue already, 
> I'd propose "Apache Leitstand"
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  [1],
>>>>>>>>>>>>  which
>>>>>>>>>>>>  means "control room". I 
> think it would make also a nice name when
>>>>>>>>>>>>  pronounced in English. This of 
> course only works if the GUI is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>  important
>>>>>>>>>>>>  piece of the project, which is the 
> case if I understood correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tammo
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Leitstand<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  <
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitstand>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:23 AM, 
> Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  So It looks we have more interested 
> folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  But before starting the vote 
> I'd like to find an other name for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Someone proposed 
> "Baldur" or "Balder" (note, It's a popular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  germanic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  god). So as a French guy this 
> proposition looks to be rude for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  :-).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  More seriously, this name doesn't hurt me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  If any other propositions, 
> it's time to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Olivier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 16 September 2013 08:25, 
> Tammo van Lessen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <tvanlessen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Am 15.09.2013 15:35 schrieb 
> "Romain Manni-Bucau" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  rmannibucau@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Angular is great but i 
> hope well keep extensibility possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  without
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  js.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  all case well get at least 
> a thread on it to discuss about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  stack we
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  want and well use ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Looking forward to that 
> discussion ;) I'd prefer progressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  enhancement
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  over SPAs in this context as well. Or even 
> http://roca-style.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tammo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Olivier Lamy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  http://twitter.com/olamy | 
> http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
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