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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: The podling initial committers issue
Date Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:34:16 GMT
I think that all of this might boil down to the observation, way back
in this thread, that there are different patterns of incoming

Some incoming podlings are very small groups of people. If they are
paying attention, they know that attracting new people will be their
biggest problem. Interested, enthusiastic, existing Apache
committers/PMC members/foundation members are exactly what they want.
They aren't a community yet, and starting out with a batch of people
who have some idea how to run one is just fine.

Other incoming podlings have an existing community. They are willing
to work to adapt that community to Apache norms. We may not have
observed them in their past, but it's reasonable to respect them to
the extent of allowing them to set up shop as themselves and then
bring in others via the usual process.

Open Office was a special and unusual case on just about every
dimension, so I don't think that it's necessary for every mental
schema to perfectly fit that history.

It seems to me that the cooler voices here, including particularly
Bertrand, see this whole incident as an unfortunate misunderstanding
over this distinction, and a tiny bit of policy clarification will fix
it, with no further need for rhetoric.

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