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From Matt Benson <gudnabr...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] BatchEE to implement JBatch @apache
Date Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:46:15 GMT
I discussed this with Romain and someone else (can't recall who) before he
submitted this proposal.  My knee-jerk response was that a software grant
would be required, but then recalled the discussion at [1].  This leaves
the impression that the podling could proceed with merely IBM's good will,
which has been established at [2].

Regards,
Matt

[1] http://markmail.org/message/ajmuxmxfdrcurswp
[2] http://markmail.org/message/5mvf5pzyiuakob4w


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM, John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>wrote:

> Just wondering, even though the RI is ASL2, do we need to get IP
> clearance to fork?
>
> I think this last came up with BeanShell.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > JSR 352 is part of Java EE 7, so BatchEE is IMO warranted.  Plus the
> > rhyming of "Apache BatchEE" is silly and fun.
> >
> > $0.02,
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Gerhard Petracek <
> > gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> easybatch is used by others already.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> gerhard
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/9/19 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> > Ok guys, if I have 2 others +1 I update the proposal ;) (I think you
> are
> >> > right, that's why i proposed it)
> >> >
> >> > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
> >> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
> >> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
> >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> >> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
> >> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/9/19 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> >
> >> > > +1, to be honest, I prefer EasyBatch as BatchEE sounds like related
> to
> >> > > JavaEE which can be confusing for the users.
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards
> >> > > JB
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 09/19/2013 01:31 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Discussing with a colleague he proposed me another name: EasyBatch.
> >> > >> Personally I like BatchEE but EasyBatch sounds quite fun even
if
> maybe
> >> > >> too close to RestEasy ;)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> wdyt?
> >> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> >> > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/<
> >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> >> > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau<
> >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
> >> > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 2013/9/18 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> Added you , thks
> >> > >>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> > >>> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> >> > >>> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/<
> >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> >> > >>> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau<
> >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
> >> > >>> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> 2013/9/18 Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Sounds interesting.
> >> > >>>> Add me as mentor if needed.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Cheers
> >> > >>>> --
> >> > >>>> Olivier
> >> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2013 8:22 PM, "Romain Manni-Bucau" <
> >> rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>  Dear ASF members,
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> I would like to propose the BatchEE project to the
Incubator.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> The BatchEE proposal is available at:
> >> > >>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/**incubator/BatchEEProposal<
> >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BatchEEProposal>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> I welcome your feedbacks and suggestions.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Thanks!
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Here is a copy of the proposal:
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> = BatchEE, JBatch Implementation =
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Abstract ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> BatchEE will be an ASL-licensed implementation of
the JBatch
> >> > >>>>> Specification which is defined as JSR-352 (for version
1.0).
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Proposal ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> BatchEE specification is an effort for defining a
standard API
> and
> >> > way
> >> > >>>>> to write batches in Java. It is integrated with JavaEE
(JTA,
> >> CDI....)
> >> > >>>>> but works out of the box in a standalone environment.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> BatchEE Project is responsible for implementing the
runtime
> >> container
> >> > >>>>> contract for the JBatch specification. Besides the
> implementation,
> >> > >>>>> BatchEE Project will implement the core built-in components
that
> >> > >>>>> further simplifies the developer complex interactions
with other
> >> Java
> >> > >>>>> EE specific enterprise operations. For example, it
will define
> >> > default
> >> > >>>>> reader/processor/writer for jdbc, jpa, xml/json/flat
files...
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Background ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Until today writing batches in java meant using a
proprietary
> >> > >>>>> framework and link to JavaEE was quite limited (or
missing).
> JBatch
> >> > >>>>> defines an API fixing this issue and now developpers
need a fix.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Rationale ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Current JBatch specificatin is released, and only
the reference
> >> > >>>>> implementation is available but not really intended
to be
> >> maintained.
> >> > >>>>> Moreover multiple Apache projects (geronimo, TomEE,
...) will
> need
> >> an
> >> > >>>>> Apache compatible Jbatch implementation to go ahread
and
> implement
> >> > >>>>> JavaEE 7.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Initial Goals ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> The initial goals of the BatchEE Project are
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>   * Fully implement the JSR-352 specification.
> >> > >>>>>   * Attracts a community around the current code base.
> >> > >>>>>   * Active relationship with the other dependent projects
to
> >> further
> >> > >>>>> develop some useful batch components.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> == Current Status ==
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Meritocracy ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Initial developer of the project is familiar with
the
> meritocracy
> >> > >>>>> principles of Apache. He knows that the open source
gets power
> from
> >> > >>>>> its great developers and freedom. He also developed
some other
> open
> >> > >>>>> source projects. We will follow the normal meritocracy
rules
> also
> >> > with
> >> > >>>>> other potential contributors.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Community ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> There is a great community within the OpenEJB, OpenWebBeans,
> >> Geronimo
> >> > >>>>> and TomEE Apache projects. BatchEE project is very
related with
> >> these
> >> > >>>>> projects and in the some cases, it enhances these
projects. We
> are
> >> > >>>>> thinking that BatchEE project gets strong community
because it
> >> > >>>>> complete the needed frameworks of a java developper
and unifies
> the
> >> > >>>>> using of these projects. It simplifies the developer
effort for
> >> > >>>>> building complex enterprise applications batches.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Core Developers ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> BatchEE project has been developing by the IBM then
forked by
> >> Romain
> >> > >>>>> Manni-Bucau as a sole contributor.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Alignment ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> BacthEE project will be a candidate for use in Geronimo
AS and
> >> TomEE
> >> > >>>>> as a default JBatch implementation. Other projects
could benefit
> >> from
> >> > >>>>> the BatchEE project as a general purpose component
and context
> >> > >>>>> management.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> BatchEE project is closely aligned with the OpenEJB
and
> >> OpenWebBeans
> >> > >>>>> projects perfectly. It depends on these projects to
satisfy its
> >> > >>>>> requirements (mainly tests).
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> == Known Risks ==
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Orphaned products ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Even if the initial committer of the project has no
plan to
> leave
> >> the
> >> > >>>>> active development, it must necessary to get other
committers
> for
> >> the
> >> > >>>>> project. So that it less dependent on the single developer.
The
> >> > source
> >> > >>>>> code of the project is well documented and new committers
could
> >> > easily
> >> > >>>>> grasp the details. Initial committer continues to
support
> actively
> >> > >>>>> this project.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Inexperience with Open Source ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Initial developer have worked on open source project
before,
> >> > including
> >> > >>>>> OpenEJB/TomEE, OpenWebBeans, XBean...
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Homogeneous Developers ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Altough the initial committer of the project is single,
> developer
> >> > team
> >> > >>>>> may be increased within the active project lifecycle
from the
> >> > >>>>> different locations.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Reliance on Salaried Developers ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Project currently has no salaried developers. All
the
> commitment is
> >> > >>>>> done by the volunteer developer.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === Relationships with Other Apache Products ===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> BatchEE will likely be used in the Geronimo and Apache
TomEE.
> >> > >>>>> OpenWebBeans could bring added value for tests and
integration
> with
> >> > >>>>> CDI. OpenEJB will be great to pass EE tests (JTA is
mandatory
> and
> >> CDi
> >> > >>>>> a must have).
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> === An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand
===
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> BatchEE project initial committer is the strong supporter
of the
> >> open
> >> > >>>>> source projects. Initial committer of the project
thinks that
> ASF
> >> has
> >> > >>>>> great place that provides wider colloboration and
support of the
> >> open
> >> > >>>>> source project and it respects meritrocracy. Also,
BatchEE
> project
> >> > >>>>> will surely be embraced by the Geronimo, TomEE, Camel
and other
> >> > Apache
> >> > >>>>> projects. BatchEE project is closely related with
the some of
> the
> >> > >>>>> other Apache projects.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> == Documentation ==
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Currently the main documentation of the project is
contained in
> the
> >> > >>>>> README.md in the source repository (see next part).
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> == Initial Source ==
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> The source for BatchEE project that is to be imported
is
> currently
> >> > >>>>> within the project at
> https://github.com/**rmannibucau/batchee.git
> >> <
> >> > https://github.com/rmannibucau/batchee.git>and
> >> > >>>>> is all ASL2.0 licensed. It is based on a fork of the
JBatch RI
> >> > >>>>> (developped by IBM) which said it was ok to fork the
RI:
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> http://apache-incubator-**general.996316.n3.nabble.com/**
> >> > >>>>> Re-DISCUSS-jbatch-impl-Apache-**td36529.html<
> >> >
> >>
> http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/Re-DISCUSS-jbatch-impl-Apache-td36529.html
> >> > >
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> == External Dependencies ==
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> All dependencies have Apache compatible licenses.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> == Required Resources ==
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Mailing lists
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>   * batchee-dev@incubator.apache.**org<
> >> > batchee-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> >> > >>>>>   * batchee-commits@incubator.**apache.org<
> >> > batchee-commits@incubator.apache.org>
> >> > >>>>>   * batchee-private@incubator.**apache.org<
> >> > batchee-private@incubator.apache.org>
> >> > >>>>>   * batchee-user@incubator.apache.**org<
> >> > batchee-user@incubator.apache.org>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Git repository
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>   * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/**repos/asf/batchee.git<
> >> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/batchee.git>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Issue Tracking
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>   * https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/BATCHEE<
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BATCHEE>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Other Resources
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>   * Wiki
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> == Initial Committers ==
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> || '''Name'''           || '''Email'''
> >> >  ||
> >> > >>>>> '''CLA'''        ||
> >> > >>>>> || Romain Manni-Bucau   || rmannibucau at gmail dot
com
> >> > ||
> >> > >>>>> yes              ||
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> == Sponsors ==
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> We kindly request the Apache Incubator PMC to be the
sponsor for
> >> this
> >> > >>>>> project.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Champion
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>   * TBD (tbf at apache dot org)
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Nominated Mentors
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>   * TBD (tbf at apacge dot org)
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> > >>>>> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> >> > >>>>> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/<
> >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> >> > >>>>> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau<
> >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
> >> > >>>>> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> > >>>>>
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> >> > > jbonofre@apache.org
> >> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
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