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From Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] BatchEE to implement JBatch @apache
Date Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:49:00 GMT
hehe right.

thks

*Romain Manni-Bucau*
*Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
*Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
*LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
*Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*



2013/9/19 Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com>

> I discussed this with Romain and someone else (can't recall who) before he
> submitted this proposal.  My knee-jerk response was that a software grant
> would be required, but then recalled the discussion at [1].  This leaves
> the impression that the podling could proceed with merely IBM's good will,
> which has been established at [2].
>
> Regards,
> Matt
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/ajmuxmxfdrcurswp
> [2] http://markmail.org/message/5mvf5pzyiuakob4w
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM, John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Just wondering, even though the RI is ASL2, do we need to get IP
> > clearance to fork?
> >
> > I think this last came up with BeanShell.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > JSR 352 is part of Java EE 7, so BatchEE is IMO warranted.  Plus the
> > > rhyming of "Apache BatchEE" is silly and fun.
> > >
> > > $0.02,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Gerhard Petracek <
> > > gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> easybatch is used by others already.
> > >>
> > >> regards,
> > >> gerhard
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/9/19 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >> > Ok guys, if I have 2 others +1 I update the proposal ;) (I think you
> > are
> > >> > right, that's why i proposed it)
> > >> >
> > >> > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
> > >> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
> > >> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
> > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> > >> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
> > >> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2013/9/19 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
> > >> >
> > >> > > +1, to be honest, I prefer EasyBatch as BatchEE sounds like
> related
> > to
> > >> > > JavaEE which can be confusing for the users.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regards
> > >> > > JB
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 09/19/2013 01:31 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Discussing with a colleague he proposed me another name:
> EasyBatch.
> > >> > >> Personally I like BatchEE but EasyBatch sounds quite fun
even if
> > maybe
> > >> > >> too close to RestEasy ;)
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> wdyt?
> > >> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > >> > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> > >> > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/<
> > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> > >> > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau<
> > >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
> > >> > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> 2013/9/18 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>> Added you , thks
> > >> > >>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > >> > >>> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> > >> > >>> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/<
> > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> > >> > >>> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau<
> > >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
> > >> > >>> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> 2013/9/18 Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>:
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>> Sounds interesting.
> > >> > >>>> Add me as mentor if needed.
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> Cheers
> > >> > >>>> --
> > >> > >>>> Olivier
> > >> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2013 8:22 PM, "Romain Manni-Bucau" <
> > >> rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > >> > >>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>>  Dear ASF members,
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> I would like to propose the BatchEE project to
the Incubator.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> The BatchEE proposal is available at:
> > >> > >>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/**incubator/BatchEEProposal<
> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BatchEEProposal>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> I welcome your feedbacks and suggestions.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Thanks!
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Here is a copy of the proposal:
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> = BatchEE, JBatch Implementation =
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Abstract ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE will be an ASL-licensed implementation
of the JBatch
> > >> > >>>>> Specification which is defined as JSR-352 (for
version 1.0).
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Proposal ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE specification is an effort for defining
a standard API
> > and
> > >> > way
> > >> > >>>>> to write batches in Java. It is integrated with
JavaEE (JTA,
> > >> CDI....)
> > >> > >>>>> but works out of the box in a standalone environment.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE Project is responsible for implementing
the runtime
> > >> container
> > >> > >>>>> contract for the JBatch specification. Besides
the
> > implementation,
> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE Project will implement the core built-in
components
> that
> > >> > >>>>> further simplifies the developer complex interactions
with
> other
> > >> Java
> > >> > >>>>> EE specific enterprise operations. For example,
it will define
> > >> > default
> > >> > >>>>> reader/processor/writer for jdbc, jpa, xml/json/flat
files...
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Background ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Until today writing batches in java meant using
a proprietary
> > >> > >>>>> framework and link to JavaEE was quite limited
(or missing).
> > JBatch
> > >> > >>>>> defines an API fixing this issue and now developpers
need a
> fix.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Rationale ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Current JBatch specificatin is released, and
only the
> reference
> > >> > >>>>> implementation is available but not really intended
to be
> > >> maintained.
> > >> > >>>>> Moreover multiple Apache projects (geronimo,
TomEE, ...) will
> > need
> > >> an
> > >> > >>>>> Apache compatible Jbatch implementation to go
ahread and
> > implement
> > >> > >>>>> JavaEE 7.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Initial Goals ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> The initial goals of the BatchEE Project are
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>   * Fully implement the JSR-352 specification.
> > >> > >>>>>   * Attracts a community around the current code
base.
> > >> > >>>>>   * Active relationship with the other dependent
projects to
> > >> further
> > >> > >>>>> develop some useful batch components.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> == Current Status ==
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Meritocracy ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Initial developer of the project is familiar
with the
> > meritocracy
> > >> > >>>>> principles of Apache. He knows that the open
source gets power
> > from
> > >> > >>>>> its great developers and freedom. He also developed
some other
> > open
> > >> > >>>>> source projects. We will follow the normal meritocracy
rules
> > also
> > >> > with
> > >> > >>>>> other potential contributors.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Community ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> There is a great community within the OpenEJB,
OpenWebBeans,
> > >> Geronimo
> > >> > >>>>> and TomEE Apache projects. BatchEE project is
very related
> with
> > >> these
> > >> > >>>>> projects and in the some cases, it enhances these
projects. We
> > are
> > >> > >>>>> thinking that BatchEE project gets strong community
because it
> > >> > >>>>> complete the needed frameworks of a java developper
and
> unifies
> > the
> > >> > >>>>> using of these projects. It simplifies the developer
effort
> for
> > >> > >>>>> building complex enterprise applications batches.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Core Developers ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE project has been developing by the IBM
then forked by
> > >> Romain
> > >> > >>>>> Manni-Bucau as a sole contributor.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Alignment ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> BacthEE project will be a candidate for use in
Geronimo AS and
> > >> TomEE
> > >> > >>>>> as a default JBatch implementation. Other projects
could
> benefit
> > >> from
> > >> > >>>>> the BatchEE project as a general purpose component
and context
> > >> > >>>>> management.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE project is closely aligned with the OpenEJB
and
> > >> OpenWebBeans
> > >> > >>>>> projects perfectly. It depends on these projects
to satisfy
> its
> > >> > >>>>> requirements (mainly tests).
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> == Known Risks ==
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Orphaned products ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Even if the initial committer of the project
has no plan to
> > leave
> > >> the
> > >> > >>>>> active development, it must necessary to get
other committers
> > for
> > >> the
> > >> > >>>>> project. So that it less dependent on the single
developer.
> The
> > >> > source
> > >> > >>>>> code of the project is well documented and new
committers
> could
> > >> > easily
> > >> > >>>>> grasp the details. Initial committer continues
to support
> > actively
> > >> > >>>>> this project.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Inexperience with Open Source ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Initial developer have worked on open source
project before,
> > >> > including
> > >> > >>>>> OpenEJB/TomEE, OpenWebBeans, XBean...
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Homogeneous Developers ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Altough the initial committer of the project
is single,
> > developer
> > >> > team
> > >> > >>>>> may be increased within the active project lifecycle
from the
> > >> > >>>>> different locations.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Reliance on Salaried Developers ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Project currently has no salaried developers.
All the
> > commitment is
> > >> > >>>>> done by the volunteer developer.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === Relationships with Other Apache Products
===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE will likely be used in the Geronimo and
Apache TomEE.
> > >> > >>>>> OpenWebBeans could bring added value for tests
and integration
> > with
> > >> > >>>>> CDI. OpenEJB will be great to pass EE tests (JTA
is mandatory
> > and
> > >> CDi
> > >> > >>>>> a must have).
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> === An Excessive Fascination with the Apache
Brand ===
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE project initial committer is the strong
supporter of
> the
> > >> open
> > >> > >>>>> source projects. Initial committer of the project
thinks that
> > ASF
> > >> has
> > >> > >>>>> great place that provides wider colloboration
and support of
> the
> > >> open
> > >> > >>>>> source project and it respects meritrocracy.
Also, BatchEE
> > project
> > >> > >>>>> will surely be embraced by the Geronimo, TomEE,
Camel and
> other
> > >> > Apache
> > >> > >>>>> projects. BatchEE project is closely related
with the some of
> > the
> > >> > >>>>> other Apache projects.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> == Documentation ==
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Currently the main documentation of the project
is contained
> in
> > the
> > >> > >>>>> README.md in the source repository (see next
part).
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> == Initial Source ==
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> The source for BatchEE project that is to be
imported is
> > currently
> > >> > >>>>> within the project at
> > https://github.com/**rmannibucau/batchee.git
> > >> <
> > >> > https://github.com/rmannibucau/batchee.git>and
> > >> > >>>>> is all ASL2.0 licensed. It is based on a fork
of the JBatch RI
> > >> > >>>>> (developped by IBM) which said it was ok to fork
the RI:
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> http://apache-incubator-**general.996316.n3.nabble.com/**
> > >> > >>>>> Re-DISCUSS-jbatch-impl-Apache-**td36529.html<
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/Re-DISCUSS-jbatch-impl-Apache-td36529.html
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> == External Dependencies ==
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> All dependencies have Apache compatible licenses.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> == Required Resources ==
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Mailing lists
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>   * batchee-dev@incubator.apache.**org<
> > >> > batchee-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> > >> > >>>>>   * batchee-commits@incubator.**apache.org<
> > >> > batchee-commits@incubator.apache.org>
> > >> > >>>>>   * batchee-private@incubator.**apache.org<
> > >> > batchee-private@incubator.apache.org>
> > >> > >>>>>   * batchee-user@incubator.apache.**org<
> > >> > batchee-user@incubator.apache.org>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Git repository
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>   * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/**repos/asf/batchee.git<
> > >> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/batchee.git>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Issue Tracking
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>   * https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/BATCHEE<
> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BATCHEE>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Other Resources
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>   * Wiki
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> == Initial Committers ==
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> || '''Name'''           || '''Email'''
> > >> >  ||
> > >> > >>>>> '''CLA'''        ||
> > >> > >>>>> || Romain Manni-Bucau   || rmannibucau at gmail
dot com
> > >> > ||
> > >> > >>>>> yes              ||
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> == Sponsors ==
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> We kindly request the Apache Incubator PMC to
be the sponsor
> for
> > >> this
> > >> > >>>>> project.
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Champion
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>   * TBD (tbf at apache dot org)
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Nominated Mentors
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>   * TBD (tbf at apacge dot org)
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > >> > >>>>> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> > >> > >>>>> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/<
> > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
> > >> > >>>>> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau<
> > >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
> > >> > >>>>> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
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