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From Nirmal Fernando <nirmal070...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:41:29 GMT
Hi Joseph,


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Joseph Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Honestly the point that keeps getting missed here is
> that everything we do at Apache proceeds at a notoriously
> slow pace so people can adjust accordingly.  All things
> considered, would it be better if Sanjiva and colleagues
> ASKED to be included in the proposal instead of just adding
> themselves in an ad hoc fashion?


What we did was, just a request to be added as a committer, we never went
and added ourselves in an ad hoc manner.


In this case, perhaps so,
> but not because this is settled law, but because there is
> significant skepticism and doubt that really doesn't belong
> in a place like Apache.  Too much time is being wasted on
> appearances and lip service is being paid to folks with
> well-established levels of trust and expertise on how to
> collaborate and ultimately govern here.
>
> 99% of the time attracting the talent of existing committers
> is a welcome event, even when one of them is a CEO who is pushing
> a few people along.  This is no big deal folks, and shouldn't be
> treated like one.  Competing corps collaborate every day here on a
> mutually successful basis, and I fully expect that to continue to
> be the case with this polling no matter what process is used to
> setup the initial committer list.
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:51 PM, Niranjan Karunanandham <
> niranjan.karu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I was actually looking forward to contributing for this project where
> ever
> > possible but I think people have misunderstood our intentions. As
> requested
> > by my CEO, I would like to withdraw my committer request.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Dulitha Wijewantha <dulithaz@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> +1 for the Dave Fisher's example. I believe most of the people have
> >> misunderstood our intentions. We were offering to help the project to
> grow
> >> and graduate faster. I am withdrawing my committer request as our CEO
> asked
> >> too. But honestly speaking - if you guys are *scared* of the *community*
> >> and what the *community* is - I don't believe you shouldn't mention the
> >> below words in the proposal -
> >>
> >> *Although we are aware of the strength of the Apache brand, we are
> >> primarily
> >> *
> >> *interested in the transforming power of the Apache Way to help guide*
> >> *Usergrid towards a more diversified and meritocratic community*
> >>
> >>
> >> In my humble opinion - the above line should not be a part of the
> proposal
> >> since the Apache way has always been to gather a community around the
> >> proposal who have shown interest towards the idea.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Alex Karasulu <akarasulu@apache.org
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> ...So fill the bus with anybody who volunteers? That does not sound
> >>>>> meritocratic....
> >>>>
> >>>> It's been like that for a while in the Incubator, people who sign up
> >>>> as initial committers for a podling usually don't have to demonstrate
> >>>> any merit.
> >>>>
> >>>> When the time comes to graduate the podling, it's perfectly fine to
> >>>> ask it to prune its list of committers and PMC members in order to
> >>>> keep only people who have demonstrated their committment during
> >>>> incubation.
> >>>
> >>> When OpenOffice.org was brought to the Incubator there was open
> >>> enrollment. There were over 70 Initial Committers. I had no experience
> >> with
> >>> OpenOffice. I did have an understanding of the ASF. I could help and I
> >> did.
> >>> It was tough to have such a large list many were OpenOffice.org people
> >> who
> >>> never really adapted to the ASF. We had all these people on the PPMC.
> >> When
> >>> graduation time came we managed to reduce the PMC to 25. We left the
> >>> Initial Committers connected. It hasn't really been a problem.
> >>>
> >>> My point is that without the Initial Committer free for all I think
> that
> >>> AOO would not be as successful as now.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dave
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Dulitha R. Wijewantha** Software Engineer*
> >> Tel: 94112793140 | Mobile: 94112793140
> >> dulithaz@gmail.com | http://dulithawijewantha.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Niranjan Karunanandham*
> > Senior Software Engineer
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>
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-- 
Best Regards,
Nirmal

C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
Senior Software Engineer,
WSO2 Inc.

Blog: http://nirmalfdo.blogspot.com/

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