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From David Crossley <cross...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Followup to VXQuery July 2013 report
Date Wed, 04 Sep 2013 06:42:39 GMT
ant elder wrote:
> Hi Marvin, I had a look, that README being pointed to is just build
> instructions on how to build the svn trunk isn't it, so not to some
> released artifacts. Thats allowed isn't it, i'm pretty sure other projects
> and podlings have done something similar anyway. Is it that the website
> describes it as user installation instructions rather than developer build
> instructions thats the issue?
> 
>    ...ant

I reckon so. To clearly refer developers to developer resources
is fine, but users no. They need to be referred to user instructions.

-David

> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Till <till@westmann.org> wrote:
> > >> Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> hat am 22. August 2013 um
> > 18:21
> > >> geschrieben:
> >
> > >> Let me be blunt: VXQuery needs to make an incubating release.
> > >>
> > >> Personally, I think it's important that we see one before your next
> > >> quarterly report.
> > >
> > > Yes, I agree. And probably "important" is an understatement.
> >
> > Today, I was wondering how VXQuery could have made it through four
> > years in the Incubator without making a release, and I took a look at the
> > website.
> >
> > I note that in the navigation bar on the left hand side there is a "For
> > Users"
> > section which includes an "Installation" link.  The page at the link
> > points to
> > the README file in svn.
> >
> >     http://incubator.apache.org/vxquery/user_installation.html
> >
> >     Install instructions can be found in the README file.
> >
> > We must not distribute to users from our source repositories:
> >
> >     http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what
> >
> >     During the process of developing software and preparing a release,
> > various
> >     packages are made available to the developer community for testing
> >     purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that might
> >     encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds, snapshots,
> >     release candidates, or any other similar package. The only people who
> > are
> >     supposed to know about such packages are the people following the dev
> > list
> >     (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the conditions placed on
> > the
> >     package. If you find that the general public are downloading such test
> >     packages, then remove them.
> >
> >     Under no circumstances are unapproved builds a substitute for
> > releases. If
> >     this policy seems inconvenient, then release more often. Proper release
> >     management is a key aspect of Apache software development.
> >
> > Here's some background about the policy in a message from Roy Fielding to
> > the
> > legal-discuss list.
> >
> >     http://markmail.org/message/njray5dbazwcdcts
> >
> >     The release process is critical because it is the point at which the
> > ASF
> >     as an organization approves a release to the public. It is the point at
> >     which the ASF's liability and goodwill comes into play. The checkpoints
> >     are necessary to ensure that we don't release a product that isn't open
> >     source or that hasn't been reviewed by the peers, since either one
> > would
> >     seriously damage the foundation. The consistency is necessary because
> > it
> >     establishes a well-worn set of procedures that distinguish ASF projects
> >     from those at Sourceforge or Google code.
> >
> > Speaking as the Incubator PMC Chair:
> >
> > Please remove the user installation links immediately.  VXQuery is not
> > allowed
> > to distribute code which has not passed an IPMC vote to the general public.
> >
> > Speaking as a member of the Incubator PMC:
> >
> > If VXQuery has not released by the next report, I expect to initiate a
> > discussion on retiring the podling.
> >
> > Marvin Humphrey
> >
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