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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] BatchEE to implement JBatch @apache
Date Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:31:55 GMT
yes, please file the proposal :)

LieGrue,
strub




----- Original Message -----
> From: Rajeev Sampath <rjvranga@gmail.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Friday, 27 September 2013, 16:25
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] BatchEE to implement JBatch @apache
> 
> Sounds like an interesting project. Looking forward to make some
> contributions if time permits.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Rajeev
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
> <rmannibucau@gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>>  Hi guys,
>> 
>>  thanks to the last mail of Matt do you think I can start a VOTE for this
>>  proposal? If not what is missing?
>> 
>>  *Romain Manni-Bucau*
>>  *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
>>  *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
>>  http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>>  *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
>>  *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  2013/9/19 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>
>> 
>>  > hehe right.
>>  >
>>  > thks
>>  >
>>  > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
>>  > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
>>  > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
>>  http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>>  > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
>>  > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > 2013/9/19 Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com>
>>  >
>>  >> I discussed this with Romain and someone else (can't recall 
> who) before
>>  he
>>  >> submitted this proposal.  My knee-jerk response was that a 
> software
>>  grant
>>  >> would be required, but then recalled the discussion at [1].  This 
> leaves
>>  >> the impression that the podling could proceed with merely 
> IBM's good
>>  will,
>>  >> which has been established at [2].
>>  >>
>>  >> Regards,
>>  >> Matt
>>  >>
>>  >> [1] http://markmail.org/message/ajmuxmxfdrcurswp
>>  >> [2] http://markmail.org/message/5mvf5pzyiuakob4w
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM, John D. Ament 
> <john.d.ament@gmail.com
>>  >> >wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >> > Just wondering, even though the RI is ASL2, do we need to get 
> IP
>>  >> > clearance to fork?
>>  >> >
>>  >> > I think this last came up with BeanShell.
>>  >> >
>>  >> > John
>>  >> >
>>  >> > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Matt Benson 
> <gudnabrsam@gmail.com>
>>  >> > wrote:
>>  >> > > JSR 352 is part of Java EE 7, so BatchEE is IMO 
> warranted.  Plus the
>>  >> > > rhyming of "Apache BatchEE" is silly and fun.
>>  >> > >
>>  >> > > $0.02,
>>  >> > > Matt
>>  >> > >
>>  >> > >
>>  >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Gerhard Petracek <
>>  >> > > gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  >> > >
>>  >> > >> easybatch is used by others already.
>>  >> > >>
>>  >> > >> regards,
>>  >> > >> gerhard
>>  >> > >>
>>  >> > >>
>>  >> > >>
>>  >> > >> 2013/9/19 Romain Manni-Bucau 
> <rmannibucau@gmail.com>
>>  >> > >>
>>  >> > >> > Ok guys, if I have 2 others +1 I update the 
> proposal ;) (I think
>>  >> you
>>  >> > are
>>  >> > >> > right, that's why i proposed it)
>>  >> > >> >
>>  >> > >> > *Romain Manni-Bucau*
>>  >> > >> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau 
> <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>*
>>  >> > >> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<
>>  >> > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>>  >> > >> > *LinkedIn: 
> **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau*
>>  >> > >> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau*
>>  >> > >> >
>>  >> > >> >
>>  >> > >> >
>>  >> > >> > 2013/9/19 Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> <jb@nanthrax.net>
>>  >> > >> >
>>  >> > >> > > +1, to be honest, I prefer EasyBatch as 
> BatchEE sounds like
>>  >> related
>>  >> > to
>>  >> > >> > > JavaEE which can be confusing for the 
> users.
>>  >> > >> > >
>>  >> > >> > > Regards
>>  >> > >> > > JB
>>  >> > >> > >
>>  >> > >> > >
>>  >> > >> > > On 09/19/2013 01:31 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau 
> wrote:
>>  >> > >> > >
>>  >> > >> > >> Discussing with a colleague he 
> proposed me another name:
>>  >> EasyBatch.
>>  >> > >> > >> Personally I like BatchEE but 
> EasyBatch sounds quite fun even
>>  if
>>  >> > maybe
>>  >> > >> > >> too close to RestEasy ;)
>>  >> > >> > >>
>>  >> > >> > >> wdyt?
>>  >> > >> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>  >> > >> > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
>>  >> > >> > >> Blog: 
> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/<
>>  >> > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>>  >> > >> > >> LinkedIn: 
> http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau<
>>  >> > >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
>>  >> > >> > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
>>  >> > >> > >>
>>  >> > >> > >>
>>  >> > >> > >>
>>  >> > >> > >> 2013/9/18 Romain Manni-Bucau 
> <rmannibucau@gmail.com>:
>>  >> > >> > >>
>>  >> > >> > >>> Added you , thks
>>  >> > >> > >>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>  >> > >> > >>> Twitter: @rmannibucau
>>  >> > >> > >>> Blog: 
> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/<
>>  >> > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
>>  >> > >> > >>> LinkedIn: 
> http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau<
>>  >> > >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
>>  >> > >> > >>> Github: 
> https://github.com/rmannibucau
>>  >> > >> > >>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>
>>  >> > >> > >>> 2013/9/18 Olivier Lamy 
> <olamy@apache.org>:
>>  >> > >> > >>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>> Sounds interesting.
>>  >> > >> > >>>> Add me as mentor if needed.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>> Cheers
>>  >> > >> > >>>> --
>>  >> > >> > >>>> Olivier
>>  >> > >> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2013 8:22 PM, 
> "Romain Manni-Bucau" <
>>  >> > >> rmannibucau@gmail.com>
>>  >> > >> > >>>> wrote:
>>  >> > >> > >>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>  Dear ASF members,
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> I would like to propose 
> the BatchEE project to the
>>  Incubator.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> The BatchEE proposal is 
> available at:
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> 
> https://wiki.apache.org/**incubator/BatchEEProposal<
>>  >> > >> > 
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BatchEEProposal>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> I welcome your feedbacks 
> and suggestions.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Thanks!
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Here is a copy of the 
> proposal:
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> = BatchEE, JBatch 
> Implementation =
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Abstract ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE will be an 
> ASL-licensed implementation of the
>>  JBatch
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Specification which is 
> defined as JSR-352 (for version
>>  1.0).
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Proposal ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE specification is 
> an effort for defining a standard
>>  >> API
>>  >> > and
>>  >> > >> > way
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> to write batches in Java. 
> It is integrated with JavaEE
>>  (JTA,
>>  >> > >> CDI....)
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> but works out of the box 
> in a standalone environment.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE Project is 
> responsible for implementing the runtime
>>  >> > >> container
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> contract for the JBatch 
> specification. Besides the
>>  >> > implementation,
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE Project will 
> implement the core built-in components
>>  >> that
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> further simplifies the 
> developer complex interactions with
>>  >> other
>>  >> > >> Java
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> EE specific enterprise 
> operations. For example, it will
>>  >> define
>>  >> > >> > default
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> reader/processor/writer 
> for jdbc, jpa, xml/json/flat
>>  files...
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Background ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Until today writing 
> batches in java meant using a
>>  proprietary
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> framework and link to 
> JavaEE was quite limited (or
>>  missing).
>>  >> > JBatch
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> defines an API fixing this 
> issue and now developpers need a
>>  >> fix.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Rationale ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Current JBatch 
> specificatin is released, and only the
>>  >> reference
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> implementation is 
> available but not really intended to be
>>  >> > >> maintained.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Moreover multiple Apache 
> projects (geronimo, TomEE, ...)
>>  will
>>  >> > need
>>  >> > >> an
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Apache compatible Jbatch 
> implementation to go ahread and
>>  >> > implement
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> JavaEE 7.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Initial Goals ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> The initial goals of the 
> BatchEE Project are
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>   * Fully implement the 
> JSR-352 specification.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>   * Attracts a community 
> around the current code base.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>   * Active relationship 
> with the other dependent projects
>>  to
>>  >> > >> further
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> develop some useful batch 
> components.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> == Current Status ==
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Meritocracy ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Initial developer of the 
> project is familiar with the
>>  >> > meritocracy
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> principles of Apache. He 
> knows that the open source gets
>>  >> power
>>  >> > from
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> its great developers and 
> freedom. He also developed some
>>  >> other
>>  >> > open
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> source projects. We will 
> follow the normal meritocracy
>>  rules
>>  >> > also
>>  >> > >> > with
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> other potential 
> contributors.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Community ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> There is a great community 
> within the OpenEJB,
>>  OpenWebBeans,
>>  >> > >> Geronimo
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> and TomEE Apache projects. 
> BatchEE project is very related
>>  >> with
>>  >> > >> these
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> projects and in the some 
> cases, it enhances these projects.
>>  >> We
>>  >> > are
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> thinking that BatchEE 
> project gets strong community because
>>  >> it
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> complete the needed 
> frameworks of a java developper and
>>  >> unifies
>>  >> > the
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> using of these projects. 
> It simplifies the developer effort
>>  >> for
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> building complex 
> enterprise applications batches.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Core Developers ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE project has been 
> developing by the IBM then forked
>>  by
>>  >> > >> Romain
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Manni-Bucau as a sole 
> contributor.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Alignment ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> BacthEE project will be a 
> candidate for use in Geronimo AS
>>  >> and
>>  >> > >> TomEE
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> as a default JBatch 
> implementation. Other projects could
>>  >> benefit
>>  >> > >> from
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> the BatchEE project as a 
> general purpose component and
>>  >> context
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> management.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE project is closely 
> aligned with the OpenEJB and
>>  >> > >> OpenWebBeans
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> projects perfectly. It 
> depends on these projects to satisfy
>>  >> its
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> requirements (mainly 
> tests).
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> == Known Risks ==
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Orphaned products ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Even if the initial 
> committer of the project has no plan to
>>  >> > leave
>>  >> > >> the
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> active development, it 
> must necessary to get other
>>  committers
>>  >> > for
>>  >> > >> the
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> project. So that it less 
> dependent on the single developer.
>>  >> The
>>  >> > >> > source
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> code of the project is 
> well documented and new committers
>>  >> could
>>  >> > >> > easily
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> grasp the details. Initial 
> committer continues to support
>>  >> > actively
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> this project.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Inexperience with Open 
> Source ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Initial developer have 
> worked on open source project
>>  before,
>>  >> > >> > including
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> OpenEJB/TomEE, 
> OpenWebBeans, XBean...
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Homogeneous Developers 
> ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Altough the initial 
> committer of the project is single,
>>  >> > developer
>>  >> > >> > team
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> may be increased within 
> the active project lifecycle from
>>  the
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> different locations.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Reliance on Salaried 
> Developers ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Project currently has no 
> salaried developers. All the
>>  >> > commitment is
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> done by the volunteer 
> developer.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === Relationships with 
> Other Apache Products ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE will likely be 
> used in the Geronimo and Apache
>>  TomEE.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> OpenWebBeans could bring 
> added value for tests and
>>  >> integration
>>  >> > with
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> CDI. OpenEJB will be great 
> to pass EE tests (JTA is
>>  mandatory
>>  >> > and
>>  >> > >> CDi
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> a must have).
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> === An Excessive 
> Fascination with the Apache Brand ===
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> BatchEE project initial 
> committer is the strong supporter
>>  of
>>  >> the
>>  >> > >> open
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> source projects. Initial 
> committer of the project thinks
>>  that
>>  >> > ASF
>>  >> > >> has
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> great place that provides 
> wider colloboration and support
>>  of
>>  >> the
>>  >> > >> open
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> source project and it 
> respects meritrocracy. Also, BatchEE
>>  >> > project
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> will surely be embraced by 
> the Geronimo, TomEE, Camel and
>>  >> other
>>  >> > >> > Apache
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> projects. BatchEE project 
> is closely related with the some
>>  of
>>  >> > the
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> other Apache projects.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> == Documentation ==
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Currently the main 
> documentation of the project is
>>  contained
>>  >> in
>>  >> > the
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> README.md in the source 
> repository (see next part).
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> == Initial Source ==
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> The source for BatchEE 
> project that is to be imported is
>>  >> > currently
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> within the project at
>>  >> > https://github.com/**rmannibucau/batchee.git
>>  >> > >> <
>>  >> > >> > 
> https://github.com/rmannibucau/batchee.git>and
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> is all ASL2.0 licensed. It 
> is based on a fork of the JBatch
>>  >> RI
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> (developped by IBM) which 
> said it was ok to fork the RI:
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> 
> http://apache-incubator-**general.996316.n3.nabble.com/**
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> 
> Re-DISCUSS-jbatch-impl-Apache-**td36529.html<
>>  >> > >> >
>>  >> > >>
>>  >> >
>>  >>
>> 
> http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/Re-DISCUSS-jbatch-impl-Apache-td36529.html
>>  >> > >> > >
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> == External Dependencies 
> ==
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> All dependencies have 
> Apache compatible licenses.
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> == Required Resources ==
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Mailing lists
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>   * 
> batchee-dev@incubator.apache.**org<
>>  >> > >> > batchee-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>   * 
> batchee-commits@incubator.**apache.org<
>>  >> > >> > batchee-commits@incubator.apache.org>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>   * 
> batchee-private@incubator.**apache.org<
>>  >> > >> > batchee-private@incubator.apache.org>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>   * 
> batchee-user@incubator.apache.**org<
>>  >> > >> > batchee-user@incubator.apache.org>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Git repository
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>   * 
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/**repos/asf/batchee.git<
>>  >> > >> > 
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/batchee.git>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Issue Tracking
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>   * 
> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/BATCHEE<
>>  >> > >> > 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BATCHEE>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Other Resources
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>   * Wiki
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> == Initial Committers ==
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> || 
> '''Name'''           || 
> '''Email'''
>>  >> > >> >  ||
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> 
> '''CLA'''        ||
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> || Romain Manni-Bucau   || 
> rmannibucau at gmail dot com
>>  >> > >> > ||
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> yes              ||
>>  >> > >> > >>>>>
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>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Twitter: @rmannibucau
>>  >> > >> > >>>>> Blog: 
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>>  >> > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/>
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> https://github.com/rmannibucau
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