Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org
Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of henry.saputra@gmail.com
 designates 209.85.212.175 as permitted sender)
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: 
 <CAAS6=7hdR+xvi-jGgfkwQ7NB0ezqx4+Mq1QtCVhx4FqdmArufQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
 <CA+40=G0veax9MArbGDB5BjwGuGBj3ve0onrfHfMBrF1nkSw3Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALuGr6aueopY-i-xcHxJisMVdR08jr=-28T2newCJmPL3oAoeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+40=G0B7eNHYZxB1WMShY9hiOTxGm=-Tx9c27TS-TNUv_jMzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALuGr6bMZPG_ajC_FwSVRQ-oUuJGxhk5t3gKA=HWFZMZ03pbaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+40=G315=BQvA9Fe4ZOyfV2mD5RB5CViaLAnJkaFShwBfNw5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAS6=7hdR+xvi-jGgfkwQ7NB0ezqx4+Mq1QtCVhx4FqdmArufQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:08:45 -0700
Message-ID: 
 <CALuGr6Yuumt-EbUqsOO0kqimYVWqk=NsxYbPiK4nu2cDWAFPDA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Aurora for Incubation
From: Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d9c6b42c9e104e50a1244

--047d7b5d9c6b42c9e104e50a1244
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi Marvin, Dave,

+1 for dev@, private@ and commits@ lists for start.

If Aurora picks up more clients as "user" which making dev@ list too noisy
we could always request for user@ list.

- Henry


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Dave Lester <dave@ischool.berkeley.edu>
> wrote:
> > We recommended an aurora-user list because Aurora is currently
> > production-ready and used by Twitter. We anticipate that once we have an
> > initial release in the Incubator, it will be straightforward to for
> current
> > Mesos users to begin using Aurora. Development discussion would still
> made
> > on aurora-dev. How does that sound?
>
> See <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MailingListOptions>.
>
> For small-ish projects, we recommend that user traffic be shunted onto the
> dev
> list at first because we have observed that great new contributors tend to
> emerge from the pool of highly engaged users.  You want to foster
> conversations which flow seemlessly from "how do I do this" to "how do I
> implement this" to "welcome new committer so-and-so".  Breaking out a
> separate
> user@ list is not generally desirable until the project has hit critical
> mass
> and dev list traffic is high.
>
> Community growth is a difficult problem that is central to the Apache
> mission,
> and it will be an important challenge for the proposed Aurora podling since
> all the initial contributors work for the same company (Twitter).  It will
> be
> tempting to make architectural decisions in private for the sake of
> efficiency, but doing so will stunt the project's growth.  It's important
> to
> hold project discussions out in the open where as many people as possible
> can
> witness them and potentially jump in.
>
> The issues/notifications/ci list is a different story.  Making the dev
> list a
> good read with a high signal-to-noise ratio is a good recruitment tactic.
> There are often people who are interested in high-level development
> conversations and user discussions but who get annoyed by CI spam and issue
> tracker trivialities.
>
> In my opinion, it would be fruitful to start off with just dev@, private@and
> commits@ lists; discuss adding a notifications@ list as one of the first
> community decisions you make on your dev@ list; and perhaps add a user@list
> later when the time is ripe.  However, all of these decisions are
> ultimately
> up to the community; us Incubator denizens are just providing the best
> guidance we can based on what seems to have worked in the past.
>
> Marvin Humphrey
>

--047d7b5d9c6b42c9e104e50a1244--