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From: Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 13:14:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman
Thread-Topic: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman
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On 7/30/13 12:50 PM, "Christian Grobmeier" <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
><bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Marvin Humphrey
>><marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
>>> ...Bertrand was skeptical about an ASF-wide ombud, but didn't raise
>>>any objection
>>> to an Incubator-specific position.
>>>     http://s.apache.org/NAa
>> ...
>>
>> Just laziness on my part...what I said there also applies to an
>> Incubator ombudsman, I'll repeat it here: I don't think we need it -
>> people should feel
>> free to contact people that they trust (IPMC members, mentors, ASF
>> members) privately if there's a need, and not having someone elected
>> in the ombudsman role means people are free to talk to whoever *they*
>> think will help.
>
>+1 to what Bertrand said.
+1 from me too.  However...
>If podlings don't know where to go we need to tell them they can ping
>people
>they trust in private AND they always can speak about problems in public
>on general@. Discussing things in public is what we always (should) do.
...as a newbie in Apache and a member of a recently graduated podling, I
have to say that if our mentors had completely failed us so I couldn't go
to them in private, I wouldn't know who else to ping in private because I
didn't know anybody else in Apache. However, just about any issues I can
think of would be able to be at least introduced on general@ without
naming names and maybe some volunteer watching general@ would offer to
help in private.
>
>That said, if you would like to start that experiment I don't object,
>but I don't expect anything from it.
Same here, and I don't have a binding vote anyway.  But I would prefer an
experiment where instead of hiding behind a title like Ombud, (and if you
must have a title, I like "Community Advocate" better), that the
experiment just be that one or two people introduce themselves to each
podling offering to be the sounding board and advocate if their mentors
and shepherds get too busy.

Even now, as a new TLP with few experienced Apache folks on it, it would
be good to know who in Apache is willing to help out if we get stuck.  I
figure everyone is busy enough as it is and that it has to be a big deal
before asking on board@.  I guess members@ is a possibility, but if
someone like JimJag "visited" our dev list and volunteered to help out new
TLPs as well that would make Apache appear all that more friendly and
welcoming.

-Alex
>
>Cheers
>Christian
>
>> -Bertrand
>>
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