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From Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Creating announce@ lists by default
Date Wed, 03 Jul 2013 16:53:42 GMT
"Wade" might be a little OTT. ;) I think the doc is too terse, if anything.
(But actually, I think it strikes the balance very well.)


On 3 July 2013 17:51, Eric Johnson <eric@tibco.com> wrote:

> My one suggestion would be to group all the historical patterns/commentary
> at the end of the document. That way, people looking for specific
> information about current practices will not have to wade through
> historical information.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On 7/2/13 6:59 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Marvin,
>>>
>>> Did you get anywhere with this?
>>>
>> Finally, yes.  I've written up the subject on the Incubator wiki and
>> linked to
>> it from the proposal guide.
>>
>>    https://wiki.apache.org/**incubator/MailingListOptions<https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MailingListOptions>
>>    http://incubator.apache.org/**guides/proposal.html#template-**
>> mailing-lists<http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#template-mailing-lists>
>>
>> I'm having second thoughts about where it should live permanently, though.
>> The Incubator's documentation could withstand some reorganization and I'm
>> contemplating some proposals which I'll put forth in a little while.
>>
>> Marvin Humphrey
>>
>>  On 30 March 2013 15:39, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Greg. Sane advice. I'll add this to my todo list and see if I
>>>>> can
>>>>> come up with a patch for the docs.
>>>>>
>>>> The obvious place to patch is the descriptive paragraph here:
>>>>
>>>>    http://incubator.apache.org/**guides/proposal.html#template-**
>>>> mailing-lists<http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#template-mailing-lists>
>>>>
>>>> However, I question whether decisions about mailing lists should be
>>>> made by
>>>> the small group that typically works up a proposal.  Why not start off
>>>> with
>>>> just a dev list and have the entire community participate in discussions
>>>> about what additional mailing lists to add?
>>>>
>>>> *   Do we need a user@ list yet?
>>>> *   Where should commit notifications be sent?
>>>> *   Where should issue tracker notifications be sent?
>>>> *   Should we add an announce@ list?
>>>>
>>>> These questions all have interesting implications with regard to
>>>> community
>>>> dynamics, and I think it would benefit podlings to be considering them
>>>> early on.
>>>>
>>>> So, I'd like to propose a page describing the various mailing list
>>>> choices
>>>> that top-level Apache projects have made and the tradeoffs, which I
>>>> volunteer to write and which I think ought to live on community.a.o
>>>> rather
>>>> than incubator.a.o.
>>>>
>>>> Once that page is live, I propose that we modify the proposal template
>>>> so
>>>> that the default is only a dev list.  Mailing list expansion then
>>>> becomes
>>>> part of the incubation curriculum, along with code import, header
>>>> change,
>>>> preparation of a release management procedure, making a release,
>>>> recruiting
>>>> new contributors/committers/PMC-**members, and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Marvin Humphrey
>>>>
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