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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Moderation of report reminders
Date Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:15:08 GMT
On 13 July 2013 18:57, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
> Greets,
>
> This report cycle, I audited the report reminders sent out by "Marvin"[1].
> After waiting a couple of days for moderation to clear, I used a web browser
> to check the dev list archives for each podling in the report cycle to see
> whether the message had arrived.  Reminders did not made it through for three
> podlings: Celix, Tajo, and VXQuery.
>
> For each of the three, I subscribed to the dev list to sidestep moderation,
> sent a manual reminder, then promptly unsubscribed.  The nudging worked: all
> eventually filed reports.
>
> Report reminders not getting moderated through has been a problem for years,
> and it's time we solved it once and for all.  Obviously, the labor-intensive
> approach I took this month is not sustainable -- we need something automatic.
>
> One possibility would be to set up a script to trawl the mbox archives
> scanning for report reminders a couple days after they were sent out, then
> mail general@incubator with a report enumerating which reminders didn't go
> through.  This may sound like a large project, but we would be able to
> leverage a lot of code which Brane wrote for the vote scan:
>
>     https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/voter/
>
> We might also gather other information during the same trawl and generate a
> more rich report:
>
> *   Generate message counts for each podling mailing list, as a rough
>     barometer of activity.
> *   Scan for Mentor email addresses in recent messages, as a crude shepherding
>     aid.
> *   (Suggestions?)
>
> A second possibility might be to consolidate `-allow` lists.  (I'm not sure
> whether this is technically feasible -- it came up yesterday on the infra
> list, but the discussion was not conclusive.  Perhaps one of the
> Infrastructure people on this list could comment.)
>
> The idea is that instead of having dedicated `-allow` lists for each podling
> dev list, we would have one omnibus public-allow@incubator list.  Once we
> approve `Marvin <no-reply@apache.org>` by adding it to that list, then
> reminders will always go through, even for new podlings.
>
> Thoughts?

Since every podling list needs to allow Marvin messages, I would have
thought the obvious solution would be to allow Marvin as part of
setting up the mailing list.

> Marvin Humphrey
>
> [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/trunk/tools/board_reminders
>
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