Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFD00106FD for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 66872 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2013 15:05:21 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66368 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jun 2013 15:05:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66354 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jun 2013 15:05:21 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:05:21 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [128.149.139.106] (HELO mail.jpl.nasa.gov) (128.149.139.106) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:05:11 +0000 Received: from mail.jpl.nasa.gov (ap-ehub-sp02.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.137.149]) by smtp.jpl.nasa.gov (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r55F4leC012554 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits) verified NO) for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 08:04:48 -0700 Received: from AP-EMBX-SP40.RES.AD.JPL ([169.254.7.233]) by ap-ehub-sp02.RES.AD.JPL ([fe80::dd85:7b07:1e36:7e3c%15]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 08:04:48 -0700 From: "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Accept Apache HotdoG into the Incubator Thread-Topic: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Accept Apache HotdoG into the Incubator Thread-Index: AQHOYUjvxOj7y9vgG0W7kM0/gqUIB5kmTBKA//+SIoCAAVOXgIAAeJaA//+MVgCAAHcBAP//i72A Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:04:46 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <907A961B-4B84-4FDB-AB57-6536589A7AAA@toolazydogs.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.4.130416 x-originating-ip: [128.149.137.114] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Source-Sender: chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov X-AUTH: Authorized X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Alan, Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm not suggesting tweaking anything nor changing Incubator process. Notice I said "I think we should probably.." Please tell me where I said "You [or we] must.." Again, it's Ramirez's call since he put the proposal up and is the Champion. If he gets at least 3 IPMC +1s in a new thread (which it looks like he will create), nothing has changed, all is well. Cheers, Chris ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: Alan Cabrera Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 8:00 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Accept Apache HotdoG into the Incubator >Please, let's not make up new rules as we go along. > >To be sure as IPMC members we should proactively inform the prospective >podling of the potential problems they will encounter entering the >Incubator with less than 3 mentors. It would commendable if IPMC members >actively hunted such mentors down for the potential podling. > >But let's not do ad hoc tweaking to our processes. Let's keep things >simple and let the vote continue. > > >Regards, >Alan > >On Jun 5, 2013, at 7:54 AM, "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" > wrote: > >> Hey Alan, >>=20 >> Great question if there is an "official" policy here. My read is >> that no it's based on tribal knowledge and informal assumption. >>=20 >> That said, let's take a simple data point: how many proposals >> over the past few years have been accepted with less than 3 >> mentors (not considering like you mentioned that mentors do >> go AWOL from time to time and that over the life of a podling, >> there may be less than 3 active at a given time)? >>=20 >> It's Paul's proposal as Champion so, up to him, but my recommendation >> would be to find 1 more wiling IPMC $victim..err mentor! >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Chris >>=20 >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alan Cabrera >> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >> Date: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 7:48 AM >> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Accept Apache HotdoG into the Incubator >>=20 >>> Mentors come and go. Is there an explicit rule that a podling needs >>> three mentors before it can start to be incubated? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> Alan >>>=20 >>> On Jun 5, 2013, at 7:37 AM, "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Paul, guys; I just noticed that HotdoG only has 2 mentors right now >>>> (myself, and pramirez). >>>>=20 >>>> Is there another IPMC mentor that would be willing to sign up >>>> for the project? I think we should probably cancel the VOTE Paul, >>>> and restart it with another mentor. >>>>=20 >>>> Besides that, Adam Estrada (VP, SIS) has expressed interest also >>>> in the proposal. So we should sort that out. Sorry for the delay, >>>> hopefully we can restart the VOTE shortly when we have a 3rd mentor >>>> and sort out Adam's participation. >>>>=20 >>>> Paul can you send a [CANCEL] [VOTE] thread? >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers, >>>> Chris >>>>=20 >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov >>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: , jpluser >>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>>> >>>> Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 11:21 AM >>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>>> Subject: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Accept Apache HotdoG into the Incubator >>>>=20 >>>>> Hey Jim, >>>>>=20 >>>>> I think it should probably read: >>>>>=20 >>>>> We're looking for people interested in HotDog and to move the >>>>>proposal >>>>> into the Apache Community. The project is moving from a previously >>>>> open source external community into Apache. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> I've updated the proposal on the wiki as such: >>>>>=20 >>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HotdoGProposal >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Chris >>>>>=20 >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov >>>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Jim Jagielski >>>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>>>> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:55 AM >>>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept Apache HotdoG into the Incubator >>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 1:28 PM, "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> We're looking for developers and sponsors. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Sponsors?? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org