Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D41310940 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 59963 invoked by uid 500); 17 Jun 2013 20:03:02 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 59811 invoked by uid 500); 17 Jun 2013 20:03:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 59803 invoked by uid 99); 17 Jun 2013 20:03:02 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:03:02 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: softfail (athena.apache.org: transitioning domain of list@toolazydogs.com does not designate 209.85.220.51 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.220.51] (HELO mail-pa0-f51.google.com) (209.85.220.51) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:02:56 +0000 Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id lf11so3195101pab.10 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:02:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=BdxmHVdit967qjM9GsLzUwTnZqqpOcmfRthksBrVUyM=; b=RFNKu060D1XlxYEjqPYt/Kt12QOECBUz0ZPAWZV6PIrgQcEQOSeQmOi35B2NPTLc4e BM6LCnAaaZ+tDlGlWOHXAFVAG9jCBT1Okb34qEHJCJAuoFljbR2/cZKMdk6bbeIx61KM g/iu4ZfBQllms3Ha8F22s0pote3zPqIB8Y0cLK6e667tB/YhmgW0nmbM9nmbNB1krzuM /ThzlZVu7u2aU4bwsdAONZMUXcTx55bjTODG2mR99RE1z0o/1tQhnDg78gNPKLb2Scm2 KumXIt6bLwAxjUIAE6Lal15FdPfBl+d6KdByceOoS51JVa6zgTVg5rJtDjuxAjs1MxyM YW7Q== X-Received: by 10.66.191.99 with SMTP id gx3mr14278219pac.88.1371499355965; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acabrera-mn.linkedin.biz (dagmar.corp.linkedin.com. [69.28.149.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id vz8sm16061609pac.20.2013.06.17.13.02.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman From: Alan Cabrera In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:02:30 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6EDA2F6D-1582-464D-AA6B-7025D4910B20@toolazydogs.com> References: <170985B0-0304-49AA-9006-52972CEC5C64@toolazydogs.com> <20130617163239.GR58841@USLT-205755.sungardas.corp> To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk2dhMR43VyH614iRQrfh7aTA86AtljZdCbR2n8tfpXI3ZyMriXtqw4TSLWRMXc4zklVNtE X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Jun 17, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Benson Margulies = wrote: > A paradox: >=20 > The VP is not supposed to exercise authority in normal circumstances. > Projects are supposed to have mentors that advocate for them. If a > project comes 'to the ombudsman', whether that's the VP or not, what > can this person do? All they can do is bring the matter to the > community. If it's sensitive enough, to private@. The mentors can and > should be doing this. >=20 > So, if you ask me, this is just another way to avoid the problem of > mentor-shortage. Unless the problem is with an "over active" mentor or absentee/problem = VP. An ombudsman frees the Incubator from having to enumerate and codify = every single circumstance where things go wrong and what would the = official remedy be. The ombudsman would be the go to person when = podlings are having problems w/ the management that everyone on this = thread seems to think should be the point people to begin with. Regards, Alan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org