Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 39727C4CE for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 94742 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jun 2013 17:42:55 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 94452 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jun 2013 17:42:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 94443 invoked by uid 99); 16 Jun 2013 17:42:55 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:42:55 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: softfail (athena.apache.org: transitioning domain of list@toolazydogs.com does not designate 209.85.160.51 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.160.51] (HELO mail-pb0-f51.google.com) (209.85.160.51) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:42:50 +0000 Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id um15so2023848pbc.24 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=PzYbMBIVrRLeYhFPotWXdopx9VU9RiZSXEOOwD7cP3c=; b=T9R+1KruOta2gde7SupGNQTNtLXgK44gVDPmR/Gt2ZtcYNCLv2TMH4pMuhZsLORQPJ h/58Nkkd9p6CKJWz3FGR0fO0O3YpgtYnTmFXORV9YiBa4NBEFWWI70XiJISDV7qXZsGK 81Tt+xmNGfbElyqit0S+OnXDntDb6Tpvo1yD/5spEGaJcD+oZcjI5VxAUtEXTH4ZiaPX j6MYM8tu3CRYq98uZmcOwgja994tjFgvOMoCNAKl+9rRol7lcPZXKftoQ13i3Bvyl2k4 ROx7k3hSGhVhnmc0m5R+nI2ld3d/Kh5MnlZJWKKVgPxIN1hYB8xcypQFfoHxd1OMbKus Zi9Q== X-Received: by 10.66.82.69 with SMTP id g5mr9778083pay.179.1371404550260; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tmoon-w7n1.linkedin.biz (dagmar.corp.linkedin.com. [69.28.149.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qe10sm10681664pbb.2.2013.06.16.10.42.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman From: Alan Cabrera In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:42:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <149B47F4-99C5-4191-B007-F9CB448DAD07@toolazydogs.com> References: <170985B0-0304-49AA-9006-52972CEC5C64@toolazydogs.com> To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn0+7IEFoELOKvGtPCvAInuBOQpALLzLFsYF8PHRnd9wAdgLTEeke5ofhRpOUaNuoR5ozE0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org I think that it would be a great idea to have an ASF wide ombudsman = instead. There's been a few times where I've been personally asked to watch the = goings on in another project by a committer, or ASF member, to provide = an outside opinion as to what's going on, only to receive the ire of the = project that's being watched. I'd much rather refer the concerned = person to a ombudsman. Regards, Alan On Jun 16, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Alexei Fedotov = wrote: > Let me add that a TLP sometimes get confused when it faces a problem. = :-) >=20 > Why these problem solving superheroes should limit themselves to the > incubator? > 15.06.2013 19:53 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0= =B5=D0=BB=D1=8C "Alan Cabrera" =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0= =B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB: >=20 >>=20 >> Problem: podlings are confused on where to go when there's a problem. >>=20 >> Cause: we seem to collect/handle/organize problems in an ad hoc = manner >> and sometimes mentors are the problem. >>=20 >> Solution: we create an elected Incubator Ombudsman. >>=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >> Alan >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>=20 >>=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org