Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D2A3110A12 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19417 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jun 2013 07:16:02 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 18960 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jun 2013 07:15:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 18952 invoked by uid 99); 19 Jun 2013 07:15:58 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:15:58 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [66.111.4.28] (HELO out4-smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.28) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:15:53 +0000 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.43]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC9F21284 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web5.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.215]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:15:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :references; s=smtpout; bh=ug0TVvPth5wGAuW+10X/SjeUis0=; b=nafnV UhjGM1zhiLOsUH4USgHubGCBp2FxoIZD5hFIrhxwzaGjFAeeazQCVlJ9vokNwJPS gq5jWzQw5krtGBpq/P2u2fQShEkl1jkz4Pksr/uMIIwy/Zw7+xSQuTrxwu1H0n8R FBjHoLPHAqbqkOYk1E/FHz+z59jT0p9qK14bTo= Received: by web5.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id A0387D414DF; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 03:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1371626132.8397.140661245669125.0D855F26@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: YZWK8K9j1/O0klX5boHdxD+Ar0R5v0XzW1A+lTdsG87a 1371626132 From: Upayavira To: general@incubator.apache.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-5ae8e04c Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:15:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1371594179.96680.YahooMailNeo@web124701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <9F94D12D-2296-47CB-ABC7-B99FE8524546@comcast.net> <1371596009.69610.YahooMailNeo@web124702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Alexei, To answer your two points. Firstly they may want to complain in private. Without that option they may just suffer in silence. As to your Eco-champion idea, can I suggest you add it to the wiki page Bertrand created? Upayavira On Wed, Jun 19, 2013, at 06:50 AM, Alexei Fedotov wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Why one would need an additional alias? Existing questions are sent to > general@ or dev@community or (please add here), and one in the superhero > role should timely answer them or facilitate an answer. [Complex > question] > tag in the subject line should be sufficient, or just no answer to some > mail for 72 hours. >=20 > If titles are important, we can simply assign nice titles to guys who > answer to 10 of these complex issues. >=20 > Maybe some discussion on facilitation means can be useful to avoid > calling > the guy impolite. >=20 > I have one particular problem to deal with. New projects which come > outside > of Apache, cannot find Apache champion. The request is too wide to reach > someones ear. One possibe way to address it is to assign an eco-champion > to > the new project who performs the project evaluation. The champion comes > from the Apache project of the same area. Sometimes we may end up with > community merges by going this way. > 19.06.2013 3:03 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82= =D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C "Ross Gardler" > =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB: >=20 > > On 18 June 2013 23:53, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > Why so much reluctance to just honor the request such as it is > > > instead of looking for different ways of modifying it to taste? > > > > ISSUE 03 at work I think - perhaps it is my fault for thinking aloud > > about how the role might also help solve a different problem from the > > one it was originally designed to solve. Maybe I set the wrong tone > > for discussion. Lets forget that. > > > > Please just go ahead and do it the way you are suggesting. There is no > > harm. The worst that can happen is someone sends an email to the alias > > and there is no response. The next worst is that nobody ever uses it. > > In either case we will eventually reverse this step. > > > > And please also go ahead with your "bill of rights" - I'll comment in > > that thread in a moment. > > > > Ross > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org