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From "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman
Date Tue, 18 Jun 2013 04:14:49 GMT
I'm not in favor of an Ombudsman. Seems like an extra
layer of overhead beyond what the Chair already provides. Seriously
does someone need a title in order to be the clearinghouse for folks'
honest assessments of the Incubator, its personnel, or other sensitive
issues?

My 2c.

Cheers,
Chris
 
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NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
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Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
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-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:11 PM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

>On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>> Just curious, is the ombudsman not allowed to be a mentor for a podling?
>> Otherwise, that podling doesn't have a safe third-party?
>
>Good point.  Podlings are heavily dependent on their Mentors, especially
>for
>providing IPMC votes on releases.  If you offend a Mentor and they leave,
>will
>you be able to find someone else from the limited pool of IPMC members?  A
>reluctance to speak out is very understandable.
>
>Put another way, when the ombud is also a Mentor, the military-justice
>analogy
>seems valid.
>
>I suppose that if the IPMC Chair is not the same as the ombud, they could
>serve as a backup ombud.  That would satisfy your concern so long as the
>ombud
>and the Chair aren't both Mentors for the same podling.
>
>Marvin Humphrey
>
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