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From Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch
Date Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:29:58 GMT
Thanks for the clarification Dennis. I'll toss this on a list of things to
circle back to at some point. If someone wants to split of
a separate thread about it right now, be my guest.


On 26 June 2013 20:22, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:

> I don't think I've seen the template before, or it was too long ago and I
> failed to notice at the time.
>
> Noah has explained my concern and added discussion on remedies.  (I won't
> be creating a JIRA issue and it appears that others have a better sense of
> what would express what is appropriate.  I just saw what was clear to me
> was inappropriate.)
>
> With respect to that checklist, my only lingering concern is that it is
> difficult to know what was actually done, following the instructions as
> given, especially with regard to the headers of files, given how the item
> is worded.
>
> I would definitely change the heading from "Copyright" to "Licensing" too.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Newson [mailto:rnewson@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 09:36 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> Cc: Noah Slater
> Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch
>
> Dennis,
>
> I'm following the instructions I'm given, I don't know if this is the
> place to comment on the process the incubator project has been
> following up to this point. Have I followed it incorrectly? I don't
> know you personally, are you pointing out problems with *this* ip
> clearance thread in particular or are you commenting on the template
> itself? Had you seen the template before today?
>
> B.
>
>
> On 26 June 2013 17:27, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> > Under the heading "Copyright" there is an item with text "Check and make
> sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF [have] been received.
>  It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the core code,
> and any new code produced by the project."
> >
> > In the next box it says
> >
> > "Check and make sure that the files have been donated have been updated
> to reflect the *new* ASF copyright. ... " [emphasis mine].
> >
> > It is my understanding that an SGA is not a transfer of rights but a
> grant of license.  This language is all wrong, wherever it comes from.  It
> suggests what appears to be a copyright transfer when everything we are
> told around here is that the ASF neither requires nor does such things.
>  Furthermore, adding ASF copyright notices in the headers for individual
> files that are otherwise unchanged is very naughty.  (Unless, of course,
> there has indeed been a copyright transfer, and I'm not all that sure about
> even that case.)
> >
> >  - Dennis
> >
> > PS: And, of course, the license grant is about more than the exclusive
> rights of copyright holders, too.  In any case, the non-exclusive licenses
> granted in SGAs and CLAs are not transfers.  (Since "standing" is much in
> the news today, another way to put it is that the ASF has no power to sue
> for infringement of copyright in the contributed works, nor any patent
> infringement related to the use of the contributed works.)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Noah Slater [mailto:nslater@apache.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 08:14 AM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> > Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch
> >
> > Dennis, can you clarify your concerns please?
> >
> > The page you are looking at is generated from a template. Bob has simply
> > filled in the dates as he stepped through the process.
> >
> > Which specific guidelines do you not believe have been followed?
> >
> > Why do you believe that an SGA has not been filed?
> >
> >
> > On 26 June 2013 16:05, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> That page talks about transfer of copyright and addition of Apache
> >> copyright notices on the code as imported.  Huh?
> >>
> >> Why aren't the guidelines for transfer of cleaned-up contributions under
> >> SGAs being followed, and an SGA being filed that details the
> contribution?
> >>
> >>  - Dennis
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Noah Slater [mailto:nslater@apache.org]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 06:03 AM
> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch
> >>
> >> Woop! Thanks Bob! +1
> >>
> >>
> >> On 26 June 2013 13:55, Robert Newson <rnewson@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Cloudant has donated the source code artifact detailed at [1] to the
> ASF.
> >> > This email is to request lazy consensus from the IPMC for the IP
> >> > clearance of this donation.
> >> >
> >> > B
> >> >
> >> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/couchdb-bigcouch.html
> >> >
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