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From Sanjiva Weerawarana <sanj...@wso2.com>
Subject Re: Stratos proposal: is it possible to add another initial committer?
Date Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:22:13 GMT
C'mon Tim this was not done as a "social norms can be overridden/bullied
occasionally by headstrong, salty old-timers" thing at all. It was
something that seemed small and simple and innocent.

However if its such a major thing then the PPMC can vote Debo in as soon as
it starts. No biggie. Honest. Really not worth all this email.

I'm afraid to re-edit the proposal to remove him ... not sure what the
right/safe thing is.

Incubator has become even more interesting since the last time I was active
in it ;-).

Cheers,

Sanjiva.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Tim Williams <williamstw@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Ross Gardler
> <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:
> > I respectfully suggest your intervention is an example of ISSUE 03 (too
> > many cooks). As a champion I'm interested in podlings learning the Apache
> > Way - a significant part of this is to not let unnecessary process get in
> > the way of software development.
> >
> > The vote is still open and can be stopped with a veto. This is a
> reversible
> > step. It is done in full view of the voting community. No harm is done
> and
> > a little extra work for a number of volunteers is avoided.
>
> C'mon, it's frustrating that folks are now casting Marvin as an
> annoying "rule follower". For all votes here, you review a
> proposal/RC/committer candidate, you vote.  And that vote is based on
> the state of the proposal as it were when you voted. That the proposal
> is immutable is a well-established social norm, certainly not news to
> you, Sanjiva, or anyone else...
>
> A voter should be able to vote and forget about it.  They shouldn't
> need to constantly go back and look for changes since casting their
> vote.  No one would, for example, allow this sort of nonsense in a
> release candidate vote.
>
> Debo didn't have things worked out in time, not a big deal; vote them
> in after the proposal succeeds, that's truly a trivial exercise for
> such a distinguished list of folks.
>
> Another option is to discount votes prior to the last mutation.  Or,
> we add a wiki page that explains to new folks how the social norms can
> be overridden/bullied occasionally by headstrong, salty old-timers as
> they see fit...
>
> Thanks,
> --tim
>
> > Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
> > On 18 Jun 2013 03:18, "Marvin Humphrey" <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Ross Gardler
> >> <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:
> >> > C'mon Marvin. The project has enough ASF committers on the initial
> >> > commiter list (ignoring mentors) to be able to conduct a committer
> >> > vote.
> >> >
> >> > Lets not add unnecessary bureaucracy during the initial set-up phase.
> >>
> >> Voting in a new committer isn't a lot of work, and Stratos has a lot of
> >> resources behind it.  Following the rules wouldn't have been a big deal.
> >>
> >> I'm not prepared to blow up the Incubator over this issue, though --
> only
> >> to
> >> ask nicely.
> >>
> >> If Stratos later experiences frustration regarding the Incubator's
> >> conflicting
> >> rules and inconsistent enforcement of rules, now they'll know where that
> >> comes
> >> from.
> >>
> >> Marvin Humphrey
> >>
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-- 
Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.;  http://wso2.com/
email: sanjiva@wso2.com; phone: +94 11 763 9614; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1
650 265 8311
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