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From David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
Date Thu, 13 Jun 2013 02:57:25 GMT
ccing trademarks@
Note the mix of public and private lists.

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <sanjiva@wso2.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>wrote:
>
>> > == Known Risks ==
>> > Stratos has largely been developed by sponsored developers employed at
>> > a single organization - WSO2.  Seeking a broader community of
>> > contributors is a top goal of contributing Stratos to Apache.
>> > WSO2 plans to continue to offer services and commercial support
>> > packages for Stratos, so there is a financial incentive to broaden
>> > Stratos’ appeal.  This may provide the misinterpretation that Stratos
>> > remains merely a WSO2 technology.  However, WSO2’s main business
>> > strategy is to build and support higher level PaaS offerings
>> > (including the WSO2 middleware stack) on top of a common PaaS
>> > framework, as provided by Stratos.  This includes a WSO2 StratosLive
>> > option which is a public PaaS based on WSO2 Stratos.
>>
>> Kudos for the honest self-analysis.
>>
>
> Thanks :-).
>
> I wonder whether Apache Brand Management would cry foul on a trademark like
>> "StratosLive" if such a product were to appear later because of the
>> "confusingly similar name" guideline.  We've seen project founders leave
>> and
>> compete with ASF products while using confusingly similar names before,
>> e.g.
>> CouchBase.
>>
>
> Yeah we also thought about that .. if StratosLive is too close to home we
> can certainly change it. Bit painful but not impossible.
>

Better to get an answer to the question up front IMO.

> If a "top goal" is "seeking a broader community of contributors", the
>> project
>> might benefit if it could find a way to reassure potential contributors on
>> this matter.  Perhaps the name for the WS02 product should be vetted in
>> advance?
>>
>
> Yep can do - our current thinking is to have a WSO2 distribution that
> contains Apache Stratos and includes all of our middleware products (app
> server, esb, etc. etc.). That is, a PaaS built on the PaaS framework from
> Apache.
>
> The thinking is to not give that a specific name but rather call it the
> WSO2 distribution of Apache Stratos (or something like that).
>

I don't think that's one of the 'sanctioned' uses of marks from:
In fact, per the below page, it's explicitly forbidden.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#products


> Shane do you have thoughts on that? That idea is based on what some others
> do and it seems to me is clear enough that its not just the Apache code
> being redistributed but has more stuff. Analogous to Redhat being a Linux
> distribution.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sanjiva.
> --
> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.;  http://wso2.com/
> email: sanjiva@wso2.com; phone: +94 11 763 9614; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1
> 650 265 8311
> blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/
>
> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware


--David

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