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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
Date Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:38:37 GMT
On 14 June 2013 15:42, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
<chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Those are "concerns/issues" with the Incubator. They aren't
> a proposal of what to do.
 For concrete suggestions about how to address the issues in the wiki
take a look at the "solutions" section under each issue. All issue
have at least one suggestion, many have more.

> * pTLP are nothing different than what existed before there was an
> Incubator.

Sorry Chris, I disagree. It is *very* different. Where it isn't so
different is in cases where there are plenty of experienced and active
mentors (I believe Stratos is one such case which is why I proposed it
as a test case).

> * This is an incremental step in the deconstruction proposal.

Not for me it isn't. It's an incremental step towards finding the
merits in your proposal for a specific type of project. I have never
supported the deconstruction proposal and I trust people (including
the board when the IPMC makes its recommendations) are clear on this.
My championing of this proposal should not be seen as a championing of
the whole deconstruction idea.

> Note, Ross was one of the most vocal discussers, seeing both the
> merit and potential pitfalls of my proposal. In short, if I've got
> Ross convinced enough to at least try it, then give it a chance.

The only thing you have convinced me of is that there is no
opportunity to find the merits while this pTLP idea is wrapped up in
the larger deconstruction proposal.

I made this clear in the initial proposal of the idea and I made it
clear in my response to Jim. I'm making it clear again here.

I want to expose the merits and avoid the pitfalls of your larger
proposal. I am *not* adding my weight to your larger proposal. I am
merely moving past an incomplete wiki page with practical activity. I
will do the same with many of the other proposals that have merit
(e.g. Ant has started to build momentum behind his tooling
suggestions, |I hope to help there too).

Ross

>
> Cheers,
> Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>
> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Friday, June 14, 2013 6:48 AM
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
>
>>On 14 June 2013 14:45, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your comments Jim.
>>>>
>>>> You will see from the archives that I share most of your concerns
>>>> about probationary TLPs. However a number of IPMC members have argued
>>>> strongly for the concept.
>>>>
>>>
>>> To be clear, the only info that seems "official" about pTLPs
>>> is the Wiki page proposal:
>>>
>>>     http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal
>>>
>>> IMO, it simply doesn't provide enough meat, details and rationale
>>> for me to be able to "commit" to it enough; there's a difference
>>> between the concept and the implementation of that concept.
>>
>>Agreed (and partially discussed elsewhere in this thread).
>>
>>Greg outlines a minimum he wants to see from the proposal to the
>>board. I agree with his minimum and will be looking to two supporters
>>of the pTLP concept to coordinate delivery of that minimum (I
>>discussed this with
>>both of them prior to make this suggestion, both agreed).
>>
>>Ross
>>
>>
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