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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman
Date Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:07:06 GMT
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Joseph Schaefer <> wrote:
> So just chill out for a moment or two and try to take in the more
> substantive issue around having someone who is proactively tasked with
> gathering data about our overall performance as seen through the eyes of our
> consumers.  This isn't an activity past chairs have shown a real willingness
> to tackle themselves other than to claim the standard open door policy we
> all make.  Alan is right, the IPMC has little more than anecdotal evidence
> that we are doing the needful and from what I've heard that evidence is
> mixed.

Thanks, Joe, that's persuasive.  It is absolutely true that we have not
pursued podling feedback proactively with any kind of consistency and I am
sure that we have squandered many opportunities to improve the incubation
process as a result.  I also agree that it's not necessary and probably not
desirable for the IPMC Chair to take point.

> If you agree that this merits some attention, I would be a little
> disappointed in your delegation skills if you refused on principle to let
> someone who is not chair actually try.

I agree that so long as the job is being done by *someone*, the Chair's
obligation is satisfied.  Exit interviews and such seem outside the normal
expectations for a Chair, though.  And the Incubator is a big place -- the
task of ensuring that all voices are heard is arguably already delegated if
you consider all the podling dev lists that the Chair isn't subscribed to.

While I think it's important to emphasize that the Chair position encompasses
an ombud role, I see no problem with having a dedicated ombud -- especially if
that person performs specialized tasks like processing exit interviews.

Marvin Humphrey

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