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From Suresh Marru <sma...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project
Date Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:59:55 GMT
On Jun 17, 2013, at 3:19 AM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Marvin Humphrey
> <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> It's inconceivable to me that this will have an ounce of impact on either
>> someone of Sanjiva's accomplishments or a future podling with the momentum of
>> Stratos, but to ensure that my positive assessment is communicated
>> unequivocally to one and all in the VOTE tally as it was during the PROPOSAL
>> thread, I hereby change the value of my vote from -0 to +0.99999.
> 
> I never worried about the "vote impact", and your change was not requested.
> 
> My concern was that your pedantism caused two *highly* qualified (and
> IMO, unimpeachable) people to issue a mea culpa in response to your
> email. That was unjustified, and highly unnecessary when looking at
> the actual edit that was performed.
> 
> Sure, I could also say "Ross/Sanjiva: grow a pair. Don't apologize."
> But I like those guys, so I never said that ;-)
> 
> I dislike that the atmosphere puts them into a position where they
> feel a need to apologize. Personally speaking, it feels uncooperative
> and rules-based rather than "what can we do, to get our goals
> accomplished?"

With great respects to all of you, I only see the positive impact of this discussion. 

As many alternatives/mid course corrections to incubator/incubation are being discussed its
even more important to tighten the loose screws to keep this vehicle moving smoothly. Changing
proposal has been one of the nagging issues and Marvin's raised concern and people of the
stature of Ross and Sanjiva's instant response only gets it strongly. Greg, Ross, Sanjiva
make invaluable  contributions to the foundation and you do it yet again. Thank you. 

I think Marvin did a head start at his "job". He might run sledge on small things or go soft
on big issues, but we still should appreciate him volunteering during turbulence and let him
go at it at liberal. 

When bringing proposals or release votes to this highly flammable list, its easier to predict
weather than what gets ignited here. Thanks to generosity of Sanjiva and WSO2, the branding
issue is resolved elegantly and now looking forward for this egg to incubate and hatch quickly.


Suresh

> 
> It felt like the *goal* was lost, in favor of "oh, boo hoo, a small
> [favorable] edit was made".
> 
> IMO, the proper response would be "+1, great proposal. (as an aside,
> all: please do not edit once voting is underway)". ... And step back
> and consider the other end of the spectrum: say the proposal was
> edited several times during the voting process. The IPMC is
> highly-qualified to say "meh. nothing substantive. let's run with it."
> ... or they could "holy crap. everything changed. we need to run
> another vote."
> 
> I stand behind Sanjiva and what he/WSO2 are doing. I don't like seeing
> him put into a position where he does the Right Thing, then feels a
> need to apologize for it. I'd like to see us move past that.
> 
> -g
> 
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