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From "Klevenz, Stephan" <stephan.klev...@sap.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] OData Proposal for Incubator
Date Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:32:38 GMT
Dear Apache Members,

After this discussion we have renamed the proposal to Apache Olingo.

https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OlingoProposal

@Dennis: Thanks again to your feedback here.

Regards,
Stephan

On 21.06.13 17:42, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:

>Stephen,
>
>I support your choice to have a different name.
>
> - Dennis
>
>I'm not sure how "Olingo" is pronounced in Spanish but I'm certain there
>will be much fun creating artwork of the little critter.  It looks like
>an animal that must be on the cover of an O'Reilly book somewhere.  (I
>find raccoons, their cousins, more appealing, except when they are
>pillaging the cherry tree at my house.)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Klevenz, Stephan [mailto:stephan.klevenz@sap.com]
>Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 06:34 AM
>To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org; general@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OData Proposal for Incubator
>Importance: High
>
>Hi Dennis,
>
>Sorry for coming back so late to your valuable feedback. After re-thinking
>about the trademark issue and your thoughts about confusion we come to
>conclusion to use a different name for the project. I would like to change
>our project name to
>
>Apache Olingo
>
>Olingo is a little bear [1] and that name should avoid any confusion with
>the OASIS standard or any other potential trademark holder. If there are
>no concerns then I will go and change our proposal to Apache Olingo.
>
>WDYT?
>
>Regards,
>stephan
>
>[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olingo
>
>On 18.06.13 15:58, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>I think there will be an issue with regard to trademarks and you will
>>have to deal with folks seeing the trademark of "Apache OData" as a
>>land-grab at "OData" itself.  The simplicity you think is avoiding
>>confusion is, in that respect, causing confusion.
>>
>>In any case, it is always wise to avoid confusion of a (standard)
>>specification, even OASIS Standard OData v3.0 or whatever, with the name
>>of an implementation.  OASIS is going to make their own claims about some
>>of those terms as well, if the past practice is any guide.
>>
>> - Dennis
>>
>>The ODF Toolkit snuck by, much to my dismay, even capturing odf as their
>>incubator repository name, but they may have to deal with that to
>>graduate to a TLP.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Klevenz, Stephan [mailto:stephan.klevenz@sap.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 06:27 AM
>>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>Cc: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
>>Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OData Proposal for Incubator
>>
>>Hello Dennis,
>>
>>Good point! The project naming was a challenge for us and maybe I just
>>can
>>explain why we prefer Apache OData as project name. The main reason is
>>search. 
>>
>>Someone who is interested in OData will use this term and the result page
>>will today list odata.org as the protocols homepage, Wikipedia which is
>>fine and the OASIS TC. In future we would like to see that Apache OData
>>is
>>highly ranked and completes the search result list.
>>
>>If we use a different name someone has to know this name and has to
>>search
>>for it explicitly. We would like to keep it simple and avoid confusion.
>>
>>We had also a look into the ASF project naming guidelines and I think
>>most
>>of the points there are considered by the name Apache OData.
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Stephan
>>
>>On 18.06.13 03:28, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>>I think one concern here is appropriation of a generic, specified-tied
>>>name to an implementation, even a reference implementation.
>>>
>>>"Apache OData" seems over-reaching in that respect, especially since
>>>there are other projects, at ASF and elsewhere, that may employ OData
>>>bindings and services of one sort or another.
>>[ ... ]
>>
>


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