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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights
Date Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:48:35 GMT
----- Original Message -----

> From: Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org>
> To: Joseph Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights
> 
> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Joseph Schaefer
> <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  The typical escalation path is either board@ or board-private@ assuming 
> private messages
>>  to the chair are ineffective.  Most of the time, for most of our projects, 
> this has worked well enough.
> 
> So isn't learning this bit of information a crucial part of graduation? 
> After
> all, once the project leaves the incubator its commiters and PMC won't have
> an access to the Ombudsman, isn't it in all of our best interest to teach
> them from the get-go what you've just described above?


Not really, because the type of information we're looking for is about the
IPMC, not the podling.

> 
> What's the danger of hooking up poddlings to the very channels they should
> be using once they graduate?
> 
>>  The real issue for the IPMC boils down to the judgement call of whether the 
> standard
>>  escalation procedures are working to everyone's satisfaction,
> 
> Do we have real indication they are not?


Isn't this an academic question?  Those of us that have been here a while have
seen any number of cases where podling committers feel frustrated about the 
process and powerless to do anything about it.  This isn't a new problem.


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