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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch
Date Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:22:23 GMT
I don't think I've seen the template before, or it was too long ago and I failed to notice
at the time.

Noah has explained my concern and added discussion on remedies.  (I won't be creating a JIRA
issue and it appears that others have a better sense of what would express what is appropriate.
 I just saw what was clear to me was inappropriate.)

With respect to that checklist, my only lingering concern is that it is difficult to know
what was actually done, following the instructions as given, especially with regard to the
headers of files, given how the item is worded.

I would definitely change the heading from "Copyright" to "Licensing" too.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Newson [mailto:rnewson@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 09:36 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamilton@acm.org
Cc: Noah Slater
Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch

Dennis,

I'm following the instructions I'm given, I don't know if this is the
place to comment on the process the incubator project has been
following up to this point. Have I followed it incorrectly? I don't
know you personally, are you pointing out problems with *this* ip
clearance thread in particular or are you commenting on the template
itself? Had you seen the template before today?

B.


On 26 June 2013 17:27, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> Under the heading "Copyright" there is an item with text "Check and make sure that the
papers that transfer rights to the ASF [have] been received.  It is only necessary to transfer
rights for the package, the core code, and any new code produced by the project."
>
> In the next box it says
>
> "Check and make sure that the files have been donated have been updated to reflect the
*new* ASF copyright. ... " [emphasis mine].
>
> It is my understanding that an SGA is not a transfer of rights but a grant of license.
 This language is all wrong, wherever it comes from.  It suggests what appears to be a copyright
transfer when everything we are told around here is that the ASF neither requires nor does
such things.  Furthermore, adding ASF copyright notices in the headers for individual files
that are otherwise unchanged is very naughty.  (Unless, of course, there has indeed been a
copyright transfer, and I'm not all that sure about even that case.)
>
>  - Dennis
>
> PS: And, of course, the license grant is about more than the exclusive rights of copyright
holders, too.  In any case, the non-exclusive licenses granted in SGAs and CLAs are not transfers.
 (Since "standing" is much in the news today, another way to put it is that the ASF has no
power to sue for infringement of copyright in the contributed works, nor any patent infringement
related to the use of the contributed works.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noah Slater [mailto:nslater@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 08:14 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch
>
> Dennis, can you clarify your concerns please?
>
> The page you are looking at is generated from a template. Bob has simply
> filled in the dates as he stepped through the process.
>
> Which specific guidelines do you not believe have been followed?
>
> Why do you believe that an SGA has not been filed?
>
>
> On 26 June 2013 16:05, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
>
>> That page talks about transfer of copyright and addition of Apache
>> copyright notices on the code as imported.  Huh?
>>
>> Why aren't the guidelines for transfer of cleaned-up contributions under
>> SGAs being followed, and an SGA being filed that details the contribution?
>>
>>  - Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Noah Slater [mailto:nslater@apache.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 06:03 AM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch
>>
>> Woop! Thanks Bob! +1
>>
>>
>> On 26 June 2013 13:55, Robert Newson <rnewson@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Cloudant has donated the source code artifact detailed at [1] to the ASF.
>> > This email is to request lazy consensus from the IPMC for the IP
>> > clearance of this donation.
>> >
>> > B
>> >
>> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/couchdb-bigcouch.html
>> >
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