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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch
Date Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:27:38 GMT
Under the heading "Copyright" there is an item with text "Check and make sure that the papers
that transfer rights to the ASF [have] been received.  It is only necessary to transfer rights
for the package, the core code, and any new code produced by the project."

In the next box it says

"Check and make sure that the files have been donated have been updated to reflect the *new*
ASF copyright. ... " [emphasis mine].

It is my understanding that an SGA is not a transfer of rights but a grant of license.  This
language is all wrong, wherever it comes from.  It suggests what appears to be a copyright
transfer when everything we are told around here is that the ASF neither requires nor does
such things.  Furthermore, adding ASF copyright notices in the headers for individual files
that are otherwise unchanged is very naughty.  (Unless, of course, there has indeed been a
copyright transfer, and I'm not all that sure about even that case.)

 - Dennis

PS: And, of course, the license grant is about more than the exclusive rights of copyright
holders, too.  In any case, the non-exclusive licenses granted in SGAs and CLAs are not transfers.
 (Since "standing" is much in the news today, another way to put it is that the ASF has no
power to sue for infringement of copyright in the contributed works, nor any patent infringement
related to the use of the contributed works.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Noah Slater [mailto:nslater@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 08:14 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamilton@acm.org
Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch

Dennis, can you clarify your concerns please?

The page you are looking at is generated from a template. Bob has simply
filled in the dates as he stepped through the process.

Which specific guidelines do you not believe have been followed?

Why do you believe that an SGA has not been filed?


On 26 June 2013 16:05, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:

> That page talks about transfer of copyright and addition of Apache
> copyright notices on the code as imported.  Huh?
>
> Why aren't the guidelines for transfer of cleaned-up contributions under
> SGAs being followed, and an SGA being filed that details the contribution?
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noah Slater [mailto:nslater@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 06:03 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch
>
> Woop! Thanks Bob! +1
>
>
> On 26 June 2013 13:55, Robert Newson <rnewson@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Cloudant has donated the source code artifact detailed at [1] to the ASF.
> > This email is to request lazy consensus from the IPMC for the IP
> > clearance of this donation.
> >
> > B
> >
> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/couchdb-bigcouch.html
> >
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