Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 57C851082F for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 17:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 49212 invoked by uid 500); 8 May 2013 17:08:36 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 48937 invoked by uid 500); 8 May 2013 17:08:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 48928 invoked by uid 99); 8 May 2013 17:08:36 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 May 2013 17:08:36 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: softfail (nike.apache.org: transitioning domain of list@toolazydogs.com does not designate 209.85.220.54 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.220.54] (HELO mail-pa0-f54.google.com) (209.85.220.54) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 May 2013 17:08:28 +0000 Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id kx1so1480218pab.13 for ; Wed, 08 May 2013 10:08:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=G5qZFG2eI96fLZCom4qLDkqpIJSMCw2dJc/RrJ4TlFg=; b=jviNZT3QcwxC2TpDxr9i32i0dLmGXRNHG8HGYGjISyrKDEcBljgM+ndLGMIlGiVUjj DF7Kwvx7xK5EYWAUPagEL8VNCpSiyRuIOM5+G7jarnG17aNEKLonahRtf0b6s5q4D4/E ZHqH7S4MZiS3hNEpemb4iLlQbnNzHONeBUzFud72Z+UNEeq5VjY165eOPkPcc7HJwV2Q IiKn4kcjwVuZZQXe46clQmu2Ta03YNMJFO318AwM2fC+GChKpB32EQMJ63jnDJCR8jr9 BK2ixVXc96qFALYMyN0xNm7G7X4c+UwEHeJuFAxtLueKU3w5ACQ0UF3NPMegFP6ZVxZY UZ+Q== X-Received: by 10.66.197.165 with SMTP id iv5mr9232350pac.67.1368032887782; Wed, 08 May 2013 10:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kafernan-w7n1.linkedin.biz (dagmar.corp.linkedin.com. [69.28.149.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t1sm35693675pab.12.2013.05.08.10.08.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 08 May 2013 10:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC From: Alan Cabrera In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 10:08:04 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1367942109.32165.140661227696513.44D5C847@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmlhHiaJUcAcTWzn1270wJuGzo3m8Sp6GXxLwobkkj/V71P49XCzye2HJYRcVIOv313ASBs X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On May 8, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz = wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Benson Margulies = wrote: >> ...I continue to hope for consensus on the thing I wrote... >=20 > I had another look at > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BensonApril2013ProcessProposals and I > like it. >=20 > While asking all podlings to confirm their current champion (which > your proposal implicitly requires) we might add Alan's proposal to > "fire all mentors", or rather just ask them to reconfirm their current > commitments, either just once or as an annual spring cleaning > operation. Do that, remove inactive mentors and see where that leaves > existing podlings. I am against watering down the role of the mentors. What this proposal = is basically results in is doing away multiple mentors for a podling and = whittling it down to one mentor whose name is now champion. Clearly not = the way to go. Let's ask ourselves, if each podling had two active mentors, what = problems would be left for the Incubator? Not a whole heck of a lot. Regards, Alan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org