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From: "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
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Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 19:40:01 +0000
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From: Joseph Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:24 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

>I firmly believe our priority in mentoring podlings is to instill
>self-governance as early as is feasible, and the proven way to accomplish
>that task is to identify suitable members of the podling and elect them
>to the IPMC so they are fully empowered to do it.  Every other approach
>is suboptimal.

And I fully agree with Joe, it's just that I don't think we that the IPMC
is the body to elect them too -- elect them to the incoming
podling/probationary TLP's own committee, which contains ASF members (at
least 3) to watch them, and make them report out as normal projects do.

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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>
>On May 11, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Alan Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>
>>=20
>> On May 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Joseph Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>=20
>>> Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of
>>>MENTORING
>>> these projects than the IPMC to be batshit insane, but that's just me.
>>> We need manpower, and there is plenty of that available amongst the
>>>competent
>>> volunteers who actively participate in these projects.  Let's just do
>>> what's easiest for once and promote these folks to the IPMC in order
>>> to get the job done right.  It's a proven model that we need to stop
>>> fighting.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Yes, shuttling the kids off the the grandparents is not going to solve
>>anything.  If individuals on the board have the bandwidth to help they
>>should come over here. There's nothing specific about the auspices of
>>the board that would improve the situation.
>>=20
>> I personally think that we have "almost" enough people to mentor.  I
>>think that the burnout comes from our constant churning of policy and
>>lack of tooling to make mundane tasks easier.
>>=20
>> For example, maybe
>> better reminders for reports
>> automatic nudging of mentors who have not signed reports
>> dead pilot buttons to detect inactive mentors (Is it called a dead
>>pilot button)
>> maybe a standard to podling releases to make vetting easier - i.e.
>>apply tooling
>> changes/additions to vetting procedures taking place outside of release
>>votes. (ok not a tooling issue)
>>=20
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>=20
>
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