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[69.28.149.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bl3sm8788751pbd.12.2013.05.08.11.36.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 08 May 2013 11:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: If I were king of the forest From: Alan Cabrera In-Reply-To: <20130508182055.GQ33720@USLT-205755.sungardas.corp> Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 11:36:41 -0700 Cc: Tim Williams Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8CD209DF-9BE6-4050-AE0B-E3D366097C93@toolazydogs.com> References: <78102006-44E3-42FA-B73E-A8D7676865CD@toolazydogs.com> <518A89E7.9010500@tibco.com> <9672F17D-82EF-4116-9E04-FC652E04A618@toolazydogs.com> <20130508182055.GQ33720@USLT-205755.sungardas.corp> To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQny1xoX4bSdNr/1GHHHyxr4cep+6FgmOzp3UIXjWrqyDc/C0ItPV8GyNLeZZzWveAK1PpYm X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On May 8, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Chip Childers = wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:00:14AM -0700, Alan Cabrera wrote: >>=20 >> On May 8, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Eric Johnson wrote: >>> One last suggested refinement: >>>=20 >>> At least two mentors, but perhaps not allow more than three, where = the third is generally a backup for the others in a transition period, = such as one of the mentors looking to shed their responsibilities. One = point that has come out of the discussion has been a lack of clear = responsibility. Adding more mentors dilutes that responsibility. Two = allows one as backup for the other. >>=20 >> Yes, this was what I was thinking as well. Two active mentors, maybe = one or two inactive ones but since they officially declared themselves = inactive the active mentor know not to assume anything of them. >=20 > I may be incorrect in my understanding of the official ASF policy here > [1], but WRT a release, doesn't it require at least 3 +1 votes of the > appropriate PMC (in the case of podlings, the IPMC)? If the mentors > were limited to 2 within the podlings, then would that leave all = podling > in a position of having to get a third +1 from the IPMC? >=20 > In some cases, podlings have enough active mentors that this whole > thread doesn't apply (clearly the discussion is about areas where = there > are problems). My concern would be making it harder for *well > functioning* podlings / mentors to get through releases. We're the IPMC, we can change the rules if we need to. I don't see how my proposal will change things for well functioning = podlings with active mentors, but I do agree that we should not mess = with the mojo of successful podlings. Regards, Alan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org