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From Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: What's the difference between dormant and retired?
Date Thu, 30 May 2013 05:30:02 GMT
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:36 PM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Mark and John, the terms mean different things, and the term
> "retired" is reasonably well understood now and mentioned in various places
> in the Incubator documentation so wouldn't it be better to keep it as is?

Question comes up from time to time, I don't see it's well understood.

> Are there really any dormant poddlings? If so probably they are really
> retired now and they should just be changed to that.

Were there ever dormant podlings?

Maybe there is a difference in the terms itself, but when ever we saw
a podling became inactive we would discuss to retire them. Not sure
anybody ever said "oh we have no committers, but I have heard next
month comes a bunch of them". Or if there is just little activity,
would you really go to a project and tell them they are dormant now
and will retire in a few months? This all is just more overhead with
no benefit for me.

Cheers
Christian

>
>    ...ant
>
> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Alan Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>
>> If no one minds I will change them all to dormant, since all are welcome
>> back to the fold, should they so desire.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>> On May 27, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 9:17 PM, John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> I think the terms mean different things, from the incubator perspective.
>> >>
>> >> Dormant - we're not active enough right now for a full community, but
>> >> believe later on we can build it back up.
>> >> Retired - we've given up all hope of becoming a TLP, instead we think
>> it's
>> >> best to archive the code/move it to github/move it to bitbucket and
>> allow
>> >> others who want to work on it to just grab it and go.
>> >
>> > The difference is one goes to github and one does not?
>> >
>> > After this interpretation I would expect dormant projects to retire.
>> > Retired projects
>> > can be revived too. It does not matter if there was something on GitHub
>> or not.
>> >
>> > Not enough for me to maintain two terms.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Just my 2 cents..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Christian Grobmeier <
>> grobmeier@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Alan Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> Yeah, I like the word dormant as well.  Should we rename them all
to
>> >>> dormant?
>> >>>
>> >>> +1 from me. So far I don't see any difference in the end.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> Alan
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On May 27, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I think it was just a question of 'retiring' sounding too final.
>> Using
>> >>>>> the word 'dormant' was less threatening, and made it more feasible
>> for
>> >>>>> the podlings to go, well, dormant.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Upayavira
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2013, at 05:39 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>> >>>>>> They kinda sound the same.  Why didn't podlings want to
retire?
>>  Does
>> >>>>>> anyone know?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>> Alan
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On May 27, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
>> grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I asked the same question in july 2011, and got a response
from
>> Henri
>> >>>>>>> Yandell which I repost here:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Given the PPMC is closed down, I think it has to be
retired.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Dormant implies a PPMC is taking some time off.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Basically this is a larger version of "don't be afraid
to delete a
>> >>>>>>> line of code; it's in version control".
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hen"
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Alan Cabrera <adc@toolazydogs.com
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Looking at the podlings.xml and it's not clear to
me what the
>> >>> difference is.  I'm sure I neglected to read some documentation bit.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>> Alan
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
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