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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: What's the difference between dormant and retired?
Date Thu, 30 May 2013 10:56:27 GMT
On 30 May 2013 08:08, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking in poddling.xml there are 3 poddlings marked "dormant" and nearly
> 30 marked "retired". The 3 dormant ones are from ages ago and looking back
> in the archives its from when there wasn't a documented retirement process
> and people didn't really know what to call it. IMHO the simplest thing to
> avoid this confusion would be to just change the status of Juice,
> SocialSite, and TripleSoup in podling.xml from dormant to retired. If it
> maters at all, AFAICT the main thing back then was some status that stopped
> the poddling getting included in the reporting schedule, and either status
> does that.

+1

>    ...ant
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:36 PM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I agree with Mark and John, the terms mean different things, and the term
>> > "retired" is reasonably well understood now and mentioned in various
>> places
>> > in the Incubator documentation so wouldn't it be better to keep it as is?
>>
>> Question comes up from time to time, I don't see it's well understood.
>>
>> > Are there really any dormant poddlings? If so probably they are really
>> > retired now and they should just be changed to that.
>>
>> Were there ever dormant podlings?
>>
>> Maybe there is a difference in the terms itself, but when ever we saw
>> a podling became inactive we would discuss to retire them. Not sure
>> anybody ever said "oh we have no committers, but I have heard next
>> month comes a bunch of them". Or if there is just little activity,
>> would you really go to a project and tell them they are dormant now
>> and will retire in a few months? This all is just more overhead with
>> no benefit for me.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Christian
>>
>> >
>> >    ...ant
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Alan Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> If no one minds I will change them all to dormant, since all are welcome
>> >> back to the fold, should they so desire.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Alan
>> >>
>> >> On May 27, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 9:17 PM, John D. Ament <
>> john.d.ament@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> I think the terms mean different things, from the incubator
>> perspective.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dormant - we're not active enough right now for a full community,
but
>> >> >> believe later on we can build it back up.
>> >> >> Retired - we've given up all hope of becoming a TLP, instead we
think
>> >> it's
>> >> >> best to archive the code/move it to github/move it to bitbucket
and
>> >> allow
>> >> >> others who want to work on it to just grab it and go.
>> >> >
>> >> > The difference is one goes to github and one does not?
>> >> >
>> >> > After this interpretation I would expect dormant projects to retire.
>> >> > Retired projects
>> >> > can be revived too. It does not matter if there was something on
>> GitHub
>> >> or not.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not enough for me to maintain two terms.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just my 2 cents..
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Christian Grobmeier <
>> >> grobmeier@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Alan Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com
>> >
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> Yeah, I like the word dormant as well.  Should we rename
them all
>> to
>> >> >>> dormant?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> +1 from me. So far I don't see any difference in the end.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>> Alan
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On May 27, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk>
wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> I think it was just a question of 'retiring' sounding
too final.
>> >> Using
>> >> >>>>> the word 'dormant' was less threatening, and made it
more feasible
>> >> for
>> >> >>>>> the podlings to go, well, dormant.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Upayavira
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2013, at 05:39 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> They kinda sound the same.  Why didn't podlings
want to retire?
>> >>  Does
>> >> >>>>>> anyone know?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>> Alan
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On May 27, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Christian Grobmeier
<
>> >> grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> I asked the same question in july 2011, and
got a response from
>> >> Henri
>> >> >>>>>>> Yandell which I repost here:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> "Given the PPMC is closed down, I think it
has to be retired.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Dormant implies a PPMC is taking some time
off.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Basically this is a larger version of "don't
be afraid to
>> delete a
>> >> >>>>>>> line of code; it's in version control".
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Hen"
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Alan Cabrera
<
>> adc@toolazydogs.com
>> >> >
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> Looking at the podlings.xml and it's not
clear to me what the
>> >> >>> difference is.  I'm sure I neglected to read some documentation
bit.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>> Alan
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
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