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From ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: What's the difference between dormant and retired?
Date Thu, 30 May 2013 07:08:29 GMT
Looking in poddling.xml there are 3 poddlings marked "dormant" and nearly
30 marked "retired". The 3 dormant ones are from ages ago and looking back
in the archives its from when there wasn't a documented retirement process
and people didn't really know what to call it. IMHO the simplest thing to
avoid this confusion would be to just change the status of Juice,
SocialSite, and TripleSoup in podling.xml from dormant to retired. If it
maters at all, AFAICT the main thing back then was some status that stopped
the poddling getting included in the reporting schedule, and either status
does that.

   ...ant

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:36 PM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I agree with Mark and John, the terms mean different things, and the term
> > "retired" is reasonably well understood now and mentioned in various
> places
> > in the Incubator documentation so wouldn't it be better to keep it as is?
>
> Question comes up from time to time, I don't see it's well understood.
>
> > Are there really any dormant poddlings? If so probably they are really
> > retired now and they should just be changed to that.
>
> Were there ever dormant podlings?
>
> Maybe there is a difference in the terms itself, but when ever we saw
> a podling became inactive we would discuss to retire them. Not sure
> anybody ever said "oh we have no committers, but I have heard next
> month comes a bunch of them". Or if there is just little activity,
> would you really go to a project and tell them they are dormant now
> and will retire in a few months? This all is just more overhead with
> no benefit for me.
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
> >
> >    ...ant
> >
> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Alan Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> If no one minds I will change them all to dormant, since all are welcome
> >> back to the fold, should they so desire.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Alan
> >>
> >> On May 27, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 9:17 PM, John D. Ament <
> john.d.ament@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> I think the terms mean different things, from the incubator
> perspective.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dormant - we're not active enough right now for a full community, but
> >> >> believe later on we can build it back up.
> >> >> Retired - we've given up all hope of becoming a TLP, instead we think
> >> it's
> >> >> best to archive the code/move it to github/move it to bitbucket and
> >> allow
> >> >> others who want to work on it to just grab it and go.
> >> >
> >> > The difference is one goes to github and one does not?
> >> >
> >> > After this interpretation I would expect dormant projects to retire.
> >> > Retired projects
> >> > can be revived too. It does not matter if there was something on
> GitHub
> >> or not.
> >> >
> >> > Not enough for me to maintain two terms.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Just my 2 cents..
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Christian Grobmeier <
> >> grobmeier@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Alan Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com
> >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> Yeah, I like the word dormant as well.  Should we rename them
all
> to
> >> >>> dormant?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> +1 from me. So far I don't see any difference in the end.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Regards,
> >> >>>> Alan
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On May 27, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk>
wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I think it was just a question of 'retiring' sounding too
final.
> >> Using
> >> >>>>> the word 'dormant' was less threatening, and made it more
feasible
> >> for
> >> >>>>> the podlings to go, well, dormant.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Upayavira
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2013, at 05:39 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> >> >>>>>> They kinda sound the same.  Why didn't podlings want
to retire?
> >>  Does
> >> >>>>>> anyone know?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>>> Alan
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On May 27, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> >> grobmeier@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I asked the same question in july 2011, and got
a response from
> >> Henri
> >> >>>>>>> Yandell which I repost here:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "Given the PPMC is closed down, I think it has
to be retired.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Dormant implies a PPMC is taking some time off.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Basically this is a larger version of "don't be
afraid to
> delete a
> >> >>>>>>> line of code; it's in version control".
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Hen"
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Alan Cabrera <
> adc@toolazydogs.com
> >> >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> Looking at the podlings.xml and it's not clear
to me what the
> >> >>> difference is.  I'm sure I neglected to read some documentation
bit.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>>>>> Alan
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
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