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From Tim Williams <william...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Date Tue, 07 May 2013 15:37:31 GMT
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
> There was a consensus to add the Champion role, and we haven't even
> tried it seriously, and now you propose to eliminate it.  That doesn't
> seem reasonable to me. I'd rather try to make it useful and then
> evaluate it. In other words, +1 to Bertrand.
>
> 'Holding mentors to their responsibility' as a completely generic
> concept is an idea that constantly fails to reach a consensus, due to
> the 'volunteer dilemma'.
>
> For others in this thread, I completely disagree that a monthly one
> line edit to the XML file or a one line email is an unreasonable
> burden.

Fair enough, disagree.

> Any mentor, let alone champion, for whom that is an
> unreasonable burden should not have signed up in the first place.

That's unfair.  I signed up to *mentor* not send silly heartbeat
checks that exist because other podling's mentors failed to live up to
their responsibility.  This feels beyond the minimal governance
necessary and a solution to the wrong problem.  It'd helpful to say
precisely what problem that this heartbeat is intended to solve, in
that way, we are afforded the opportunity to propose an alternative
solution - for example, by focusing on highlighting the problem
mentors/podlings.

Thanks,
--tim

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